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Israeli minister says closer to arrangement on Lebanon fighting: Report

Israel is closer to reaching an arrangement over fighting with Hezbollah than it has been since the start of the war, but it must retain freedom to act inside Lebanon should any deal be violated, said an Israeli security cabinet minister.

“I think we are at a point that we are closer to an arrangement than we have been since the start of the war,” said Energy Minister Eli Cohen in an interview with Reuters. A key sticking point for Israel, he said, is ensuring it retains freedom of action should Hezbollah return to border areas where it could pose a threat to Israeli communities.

“We will be less forgiving than in the past over attempts to create strongholds in territory near Israel. That’s how we will be, and so that is certainly how we will act,” Cohen said.

One sided ceasefire is not called a ceasefire, it's called conditional surrender. Plus to get a ceasefire you actually have to negotiate with those you fight, not draw up a one sided plan with your ally, the US.


Minister says Israel expects Trump to take hard line on Iran: Report

Israel expects the incoming Trump administration to take a hard line against Iran and its nuclear ambitions, which will create an opportunity for more peace deals with Arab neighbours, Energy Minister Eli Cohen has told the Reuters news agency.

Cohen said that US President-elect Donald Trump has been nominating senior staff who “certainly support determined action against Iran”.

“The period of Trump’s previous administration was characterised by greater regional stability,” he said. “Towards the end of his presidency, the sanctions on Iran were close to making Iran to change its behaviour on the nuclear issue.”

“So we certainly hope and believe that the Trump administration’s policy will continue that, and first and foremost, we see the most central issue is acting assertively against Iran,” Cohen added.

“We think [Trump] is targeting the bottom line. To rein in the threatening actors and create new regional alliances that are very important,” he said.

Your period of "greater regional stability" led to Oct 7... Sidelining the Palestinian issue again and continuing the occupation will only lead to another Oct 7.
Israel is the greatest threat to regional stability along with the US.


Israeli parliament to discuss bill banning Palestinian flag

On Sunday, the Knesset will discuss a bill that bans the raising of the Palestinian flag in “state-funded or supported institutions”, Israeli media has reported.

The bill, to be presented to the parliament’s Ministerial Committee for Legislation, targets the flags of “enemy countries” and gives authorities permission to “disperse any gathering in which such flags are raised, and impose a prison sentence of up to one year, in addition to a fine of no less than NIS 10,000 [$2,674].”

This would apply to state institutions such as universities, where protesters have at times used the Palestinian flag to protest against the war in Gaza.



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Israel’s forced displacement in Gaza amounts to war crime: HRW

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/14/israels-forced-displacement-in-gaza-amounts-to-war-crime-hrw

Israeli authorities have caused massive and deliberate forced displacement of Palestinians in Gaza, in what amounts to a war crime, a new report by Human Rights Watch (HRW) has found.

The international human rights organisation analysed satellite imagery, Israeli forced evacuation orders and statements by senior Israeli officials to show that authorities in Israel are deliberately and permanently making returning to large areas of Gaza effectively impossible for the Palestinian population.

“Israeli forces have destroyed the majority of Gaza’s water, sanitation, communications, energy and transport infrastructure as well as its schools and hospitals” and “systematically razed orchards, fields and greenhouses”, report author Nadia Hardman told journalists in a news conference in advance of the report’s release on Thursday.


A satellite image shows an area the Israeli military has completely razed to cut the Gaza Strip in two and has called the ‘Netzarim Corridor’

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Several Israeli officials have claimed that military “buffer zones” between Gaza and Israel are necessary so that residents in southern Israel can return to their homes without fearing another attack such as the one led by Hamas on October 7, 2023.

Israel’s Minister of Agriculture Avi Dichter told reporters on October 19, 2023, that the plan was to create a “margin” around the Gaza Strip that “will be a fire zone. And no matter who you are, you will never be able to come close to the Israeli border”.

The Human Rights Watch report said that the razing and destruction of the vast majority of Palestinian homes, fields, orchards, wooded areas and infrastructure in these so-called “buffer zones” was “one of the clearest examples of forcible transfer in Gaza”.

Notably, the rights group said that to qualify as a war crime, the forcible transfer of a population must be carried out intentionally. The report’s authors provided almost two dozen statements from senior Israeli ministers supporting the forcible transfer of Palestinians.

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We need to seize more lands in Gaza to punish Hamas: Israeli minister

Orit Strock, Israel’s settlement minister, has told Israel’s Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper that she advised the government that Israel needs “to seize more lands in Gaza so Hamas understands that there is a price they are not willing to pay”.

“I will not agree to the withdrawal of our forces from Gaza, and I will leave the government if we exit the Philadelphi Corridor,” she was quoted as saying.

Strock also said Israel must annex the occupied West Bank, claiming that “the national right to the land there should belong only to the people of Israel.

“Palestinians can stay in Judea and Samaria, and we must grant them their full rights as humans, but they will not be able to vote in [Israeli parliament] Knesset elections,” she said, referring to the West Bank with the territory’s biblical name.

Strock dismissed the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, saying it was not a solution “but a disaster”.



JuliusHackebeil said:

A brilliant talk.

Andrew Gold's Heretics with Natasha Hausdorff

I especially want to point to how Hamas breaks international human rights in armed conflict with how they hide, how they target and so on, while Israel is doing more than any warring nation before to uphold it.

I always ask my pro Palestinian friends to not waste too much time debating whether Hamas or IDF is at fault and just concede this fight early on and shift the conversation to the ongoing annexation of the west back, the violations of the Israeli violent settlers there, and how the absence of Hamas in the West Bank meant Israel gets away with crimes without much media coverage

So my point to you, go read about the ongoing crimes and violations in the West Bank and tell me Israel how Israel is also the good people there.



Israeli army investigating if north Gaza killings violated international law: Report

Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports that the army has identified “at least 16” attacks on northern Gaza that it will investigate as it comes under intense international scrutiny for its offensive in the territory.

Since October 6, Israel has relentlessly bombed northern Gaza, killing at least 1,000 people, cutting the area off aid and demolishing many homes and other structures in what many say is an attempt at ethnic cleansing.

Haaretz reported that the army is having trouble justifying the scale of the killings and destruction.

The investigations of the attacks between October 21 and November 2 will be conducted by the “General Staff Mechanism for Fact-Finding Assessments, aka FFA Mechanism”, according to the daily.

“These inspections are conducted if there’s a suspicion that the attack was disproportionate, or exceeded international law,” it reported. “The General Staff investigation system sends its recommendations to the Military Advocate General, which decides whether to open a criminal investigation.”

Citing human rights organisations, the report adds that, based on its track record, this so-called accountability mechanism will be used to cover up illegal acts without leading to any criminal investigations.

“FFA Mechanism investigations last for years (compared to several days or weeks in other armies), and most of them are closed without initiating a criminal investigation against those involved,” Haaretz says.


How Israel has decimated local food production in Gaza

It’s not just Israel’s restrictions on the entry of food aid that are contributing to the hunger crisis in Gaza. It’s also the Israeli military’s decimation of local food production across the whole of the coastal enclave.

Before Israel launched its war on Gaza, about 42 percent of the Strip’s land was used for crops.

But according to the UN, the ongoing hostilities have resulted in “significant damage” to the agricultural sector, including cropland, greenhouses, agricultural infrastructure, wells and solar panels.

The UN’s Food and Agriculture Organization says:

  • Nearly 70 percent of cropland – which contributed up to one-third of daily consumption – has been destroyed
  • More than 70 percent of olive trees and orchards have been burned to the ground
  • About 95 percent of cattle and more than half of sheep and goat herds have died.


Israel is unstoppable as long as US scoffs at idea of international law

“About 95 percent of Israel’s weapons come from the United States and Germany, so as long as those countries scoff at the idea of international law, we won’t get anywhere with the calls for an arms embargo against Israel,” Mohamad Elmasry, professor at the Doha Institute for Graduate Studies, tells Al Jazeera.

“There has been a suggestion that there might be a draft resolution put forward at the United Nations Security Council,” he added. “There is no question in my mind that nearly all of the countries on the Security Council would support that resolution”.

All countries except for the US, Elmasry continued.

“There is also no question in my mind that the United States would veto it, so one of the reasons why we are where we are is because of the United States.”



‘Complete nightmare’: Humanitarian group chief describes ‘impossible situation’ in Gaza

Arwa Damon, founder of the International Network for Aid, Relief and Assistance (INARA), which provides medical and mental healthcare to children affected by war, says the situation in Gaza is “a complete nightmare”.

“The bombing is relentless, there has been no adequate humanitarian assistance, and there isn’t sufficient medical care either,” she told Al Jazeera from central Gaza’s Deir el-Balah, where her organisation is assisting people displaced from northern Gaza.

“People are deeply traumatised, part of the reluctance to leave the north is fear of the road. People are afraid to be targeted as they are leaving. There are families that are being separated – women and children from teenage boys,” Damon said.

She also said access for humanitarian organisations like hers to the north of Gaza is extraordinarily difficult, “because the vast majority of the movement requests that go through the Israelis are either denied or impeded”.

“It is an impossible situation but it has been from the get-go,” Damon added.



MSF calls on Israel to ensure evacuation of patients from Gaza

Doctors Without Borders (MSF) has denounced the Israeli decision to block the medical evacuation of eight children and their caretakers from Gaza to Jordan on Sunday. The global medical charity said it applied for 32 children and caretakers to be evacuated from Gaza to Jordan in recent months and only six were allowed to leave.

“It’s utterly shocking and outrageous that children who need essential treatment are being blocked by Israel from leaving Gaza. Israel’s denial of urgent medical evacuations defies reason and humanity,” Moeen Mahmood, MSF country director in Jordan, said in a statement on X.

According to the World Health Organization, there are at least 14,000 people in need of medical evacuation, MSF said, calling on the Israeli authorities to ensure medical evacuations and guarantee a “safe, voluntary and dignified return to Gaza”.


Gaza in dire need of medical and food aid: MSF

MSF President Christos Christou spoke to Al Jazeera about the situation in Gaza:

  • We have 14,000 people in Gaza who need urgent healthcare.
  • There are gross human rights and international humanitarian law violations in Gaza.
  • We lost eight colleagues in Gaza and more than 1,000 humanitarian workers have been killed overall.
  • Healthcare in Gaza is almost non-existent at the moment.
  • Gaza is in dire need of medical and food aid.
  • There is no entry of aid. It is being prevented and we do not know the reasons for that.
  • Gaza is also in dire need of new hospitals.



Activists say British firm cut ties with Israeli weapons maker

The Palestine Action network has announced that UK-based machinery supplier Hydrafeed has cut ties with Israel’s largest arms manufacturer Elbit Systems after a pressure campaign.

The group said its activists spotted and “destroyed” machinery built by the company inside Elbit’s factory in Kent in June. It also said four activists in the US were imprisoned for making a move against Elbit’s factory in New Hampshire and will serve two months.



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At least three killed in Israeli attack on Gaza City’s Sheikh Radwan area

At least three people have been killed in an Israeli bombing of the Sheikh Radwan neighbourhood in Gaza City, according to our colleagues at Al Jazeera Arabic.

The Palestinian Information Center (PIC) said 10 people were also injured in the attack that hit a group of Palestinians in the vicinity of Hamama School.

Also in Gaza City, Israeli artillery shelling hit the southern and eastern areas of the Zeitoun neighbourhood, and smoke bombs were used by Israeli forces in the east of Zeitoun.


One-year-old boy dies in Gaza’s Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital

A one-year-old boy has died in the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital here in Deir el-Balah in the past half an hour despite his case being treatable according to the doctors we spoke to.

Due to the lack of medical supplies, the hospital could not do anything to save him. A medical mission organised by the WHO was trying to get him out of the Gaza Strip but failed because the Israeli military banned this one-year-old boy from leaving the enclave.

This is part of the silent death that is happening on an hourly basis in the Gaza Strip. We see more of it here because we are at the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital. We see people being brought out of the hospital and into the morgue on an hourly basis from all age groups due to the lack of medical supplies.


‘He was sitting peacefully with friends’: Father of Israeli attack victim in Maghazi

Our correspondent in Gaza, Hani Mahmoud, attended the funeral of five people who were killed when an Israeli army drone attacked a group taking a delivery of commercial trucks.

He spoke to one man, identified as Abu Ahmed, whose son was killed in the attack. “He was sitting peacefully with a group of his friends; an Israeli missile took them by surprise. They were all killed, the six of them. I thank God for all that comes our way. We pray for God’s mercy, simply because the whole world has abandoned us; not a single person has taken any action in our support.

“We seek mercy from God, not any other individual, be it Arab or Muslim. For 14 months, the whole world has been watching us being slaughtered and butchered [on live TV]. Our population is being exterminated by the Israelis, but all we say is ‘Thanks be to God.'”


Gaza death toll rises

At least 43,736 people have been killed and 103,370 wounded in Israeli military attacks on Gaza since October 7, 2023, the enclave’s Health Ministry says. Of those, 24 Palestinians were killed and 112 wounded in the latest 24-hour reporting period, the ministry added.


Israeli forces strike school-turned-shelter in Gaza City

We just got an update that the Israeli forces targeted Salah al-Din School, a school in the centre of Gaza City, and they targeted a classroom there.

And let me tell you that this school was sheltering thousands of Palestinians who already fled from this Israeli siege that has been imposed on them. All of the people who were in this school came from Jabalia, Beit Lahiya, and Beit Hanoon, and this is not the first time the Israeli forces targeted this school.

This is the fourth time the same school has been targeted.

We are unable to reach anyone on the ground to know what’s the story and how many people have been injured or killed. But we know that there’s a huge fire that erupted in the classroom, and the firefighters and Palestinian Civil Defence teams are trying their best to contain it.

But it’s obvious that this school has been packed with Palestinians. We’re talking about children, we’re talking about women, and it’s obvious that there are a lot of people that will be affected by this target.


At least 4 people killed in Israeli drone strike in Bureij

At least four Palestinians, including children, have been killed when Israeli drones bombed a tent housing displaced people in the Bureij refugee camp in the central Gaza Strip, our colleagues on the ground report.

Translation: Urgent – Targeting a tent for displaced people in al-Sikka camp in Bureij camp in the central Gaza Strip.



Israeli special forces arrest Palestinian in West Bank

The Israeli troops detained the young Palestinian man in the old city of Nablus in the occupied West Bank, according to Al Jazeera Arabic. Earlier, the Wafa news agency reported that Israeli forces had stormed Nablus and sent in reinforcements into the old city.

More than 11,600 people have been arrested in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem since October 2023, according to the Palestinian Prisoner’s Society.


Israeli soldiers use a laser light as they close the Deir Sharaf checkpoint west of Nablus in the occupied West Bank on Tuesday


Israeli forces demolish Palestinian man’s home for a second time

The Wafa news agency is reporting that Israeli forces demolished a two-storey building in the town of Yatma, south of the occupied West Bank city of Nablus. The house belonged to Baraa Nasser Ismail, local authorities said.

The incident marked the second time that Israeli forces have demolished Ismail’s home, Wafa reported. Israeli forces had previously destroyed his home located in the area between the villages of Qablan and Yatma, it said.


Arrests made as Israel completes destruction of Bedouin village in Negev: Reports

Israeli authorities have stormed the unrecognized village of Umm al-Hiran in the Negev region, demolishing the last building: a mosque, according to the Wafa news agency.

The Times of Israel newspaper also reported on the development, saying the village was erased to make way for a planned Orthodox Jewish community called Dror.

“Efforts to convince the roughly 300 residents to move to plots prepared for them in the nearby Bedouin town of Hura largely failed,” the newspaper said.

The demolition is “another chapter in the ethnic cleansing and expulsion of Arabs in this country”, the report quoted a spokesman for the Regional Council for the Unrecognized Bedouin Villages in the Negev, a nonprofit that represents the impoverished southern communities, as saying.

Wafa said the Israeli police arrested three people: Salim Abu al-Qian, Atwa Abu al-Qian, and Raed Abu al-Qian.

The Israeli authorities rejected the requests of the residents to be part of the residential complexes that would be built on the ruins, giving them until November 24 to evacuate the erased village, according to Wafa.


Israeli forces demolish mosque in Negev

Israeli forces have demolished a mosque in the Bedouin village of Umm al-Hiran in the Negev. Israeli media reported the demolition order was approved by far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.


Two children wounded by Israeli gunfire in occupied West Bank

Two Palestinian minors sustained injuries from Israeli bullets in the Beit Furik town, east of the city of Nablus in the occupied West Bank, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRCS).

The two, both aged 15, were shot in the legs during a raid on the town, which has been a frequent target of Israeli forces since the start of the war on Gaza, Wafa news agency reported.

The report added that Israeli settlers set up a new outpost near the Ras al-Ain community north of Jericho in the occupied West Bank.



JuliusHackebeil said:

A brilliant talk.

Andrew Gold's Heretics with Natasha Hausdorff

I especially want to point to how Hamas breaks international human rights in armed conflict with how they hide, how they target and so on, while Israel is doing more than any warring nation before to uphold it.

This is not a war, it's a genocide. The occupying power is systematically destructing the walled enclave they locked the Palestinians inside of.

Let Hamas and Israel both be tried for war crimes before the ICC, stop the genocide first. Israel is waging a one sided war on the population of Gaza.


The IDF is one if the most criminal army in recorded history:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/06/1151211

This is the highest death toll ever in this protracted period of warfare…There must be accountability for every specific act of criminality.
Commissioner Chris Sidoti

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/damning-evidence-of-war-crimes-as-israeli-attacks-wipe-out-entire-families-in-gaza/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-69020237
Israel troops continue posting abuse footage despite pledge to act

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/09/israel-opt-israeli-military-must-be-investigated-for-war-crime-of-wanton-destruction-in-gaza-new-investigation/

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-03/ty-article/.premium/idf-conducts-criminal-investigation-into-48-deaths-of-gazans-in-the-war-mostly-detainees/0000018f-dd46-db0d-a98f-dd4f27950000
Investigations that never lead to anything

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/10/lebanon-evidence-of-israels-unlawful-use-of-white-phosphorus-in-southern-lebanon-as-cross-border-hostilities-escalate/

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-al-shifa-medical-complex-massacre-provides-proof-israeli-army-engaged-full-fledged-crimes-enar

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/10/un-commission-finds-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity-israeli-attacks

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/06/israeli-authorities-palestinian-armed-groups-are-responsible-war-crimes

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8ygyem84jo
HRW accuses Israel of war crime of forced displacement in Gaza

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/israel-50-years-occupation-abuses

https://afsc.org/israeli-violations

https://www.haaretz.com/ty-tag/israel-war-crimes-0000017f-da26-d718-a5ff-faa6ce9a0000

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israeli-forces-in-gaza-use-civilians-as-human-shields-against-possible-booby-traps

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state



If what Natasha claims is true, why won't Israel allow journalists nor independent war crimes investigators into Gaza?

The time of hasbara is over, Israel's gaslighting is no longer believable by any stretch of the imagination. All the evidence is there for everyone to see who's willing to open their eyes.

South Africa has collected evidence and submitted to the ICJ for the ongoing genocide case against Israel.

https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/south-africa-delivers-evidence-israel-genocide-icj

The Memorial contains over 750 pages of text and 4 000 pages of supporting exhibits and annexes, documenting what the South African government views as Israel’s systematic targeting of Palestinians in Gaza. “The evidence will show that undergirding Israel’s genocidal acts is the special intent to commit genocide, a failure by Israel to prevent incitement to genocide, to prevent genocide itself, and its failure to punish those inciting and committing acts of genocide.



UN special committee finds Israel’s methods of war in Gaza consistent with genocide

The UN special committee to investigate Israeli practices has released a report that determines mass civilian casualties and life-threatening conditions are “intentionally imposed” on Palestinians in Gaza by the Israeli army.

“Since the beginning of the war, Israeli officials have publicly supported policies that strip Palestinians of the very necessities required to sustain life – food, water, and fuel,” the committee said in a press release.

“These statements along with the systematic and unlawful interference of humanitarian aid make clear Israel’s intent to instrumentalise life-saving supplies for political and military gains,” it continues.

The report’s findings – that Israel intentionally withholds aid from the Strip, uses starvation as a weapon of war and is careless in its infliction of civilian casualties – are consistent with other UN and humanitarian condemnations of Israel’s conduct.

The term “genocide”, however, is rarely applied to Israel’s war on Gaza by any body connected with the UN.


The report covers October 2023 to July and includes developments across the occupied Palestinian territory. It focuses, however, on the devastating violence in the Gaza Strip.

“Through its siege over Gaza, obstruction of humanitarian aid, alongside targeted attacks and killing of civilians and aid workers, despite repeated UN appeals, binding orders from the International Court of Justice and resolutions of the Security Council, Israel is intentionally causing death, starvation and serious injury, using starvation as a method of war and inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinian population,” the committee said.

Its report also documents how Israel’s assault has “unleashed an environmental catastrophe” by destroying essential services, such as water and sanitation, the impacts of which will be felt for a long time after any hypothetical ceasefire.

Also delved into by the report is Israel’s use of AI targeting in its bombing campaign and its impact on the high number of casualties of women and children.

“The Israeli military’s use of AI-assisted targeting, with minimal human oversight, combined with heavy bombs, underscores Israel’s disregard of its obligation to distinguish between civilians and combatants and take adequate safeguards to prevent civilian deaths,” the committee said.


UN special committee’s ‘genocide’ findings match what is happening in Gaza

Everything mentioned completely reflects what’s happening on the ground. This forced starvation, sieging particular areas across the Gaza Strip.

Let’s start with the northern Gaza Strip, where for more than 40 days, no food and no water have been entering. No aid has been allowed to be distributed to Palestinians there. And there’s also the fact that people are unable to move for the fact that there are Israeli quadcopters targeting everything.

The fact that water sanitation plants are not working due to the lack of fuel and there’s only one hospital that is working with the bare minimum of equipment and staff. Also, there have been no civil defence teams or ambulances, and there are dozens of people still trapped under the rubble.

Until this moment, more than 2,000 Palestinians have been killed in the northern area since the latest siege began. Those are the people who were transferred to the hospital – not those who are trapped under the rubble or have been killed by Israeli quadcopters and laying on the ground where no ambulances or anyone could reach them.

It’s not only in the northern Gaza Strip, but even here in the south, in the central area, there has been no aid delivered. Palestinians are unable to feed their families or their children because everything’s expensive – mothers are saying there’s no baby formula milk, no eggs, no chicken or meat.

Constant Israeli shelling, quadcopters, air attacks – the methods Israel has been using against Palestinians – the mass killing, the forced starvation, the forced displacement, it is all affecting and adding misery to the lives of Palestinians.


UN report to strengthen legal action against Israel

The report from a special committee of the UN’s human rights office that found Israel’s war conduct in Gaza is “consistent with genocide” also calls on member states to refrain from abetting Israel’s violations of international law.

Rami Khouri, a distinguished fellow at the American University of Beirut, said that while the report was unlikely to push the international community “to do anything practical or even just symbolic”, its findings will boost legal actions against Israel going forward.

“The international community doesn’t have any way to force the Israelis to stop,” Khouri said. However, “every one of these reports will go to the international tribunals, it is not wasted effort, but it won’t pay a dividend right away”.

Khouri said that the UN Security Council was prevented from taking any action by the US power of veto, but the UN General Assembly could adopt resolutions on a number of issues including possibly suspending Israel from the inter-governmental body.



LurkerJ said:
JuliusHackebeil said:

A brilliant talk.

Andrew Gold's Heretics with Natasha Hausdorff

I especially want to point to how Hamas breaks international human rights in armed conflict with how they hide, how they target and so on, while Israel is doing more than any warring nation before to uphold it.

I always ask my pro Palestinian friends to not waste too much time debating whether Hamas or IDF is at fault and just concede this fight early on and shift the conversation to the ongoing annexation of the west back, the violations of the Israeli violent settlers there, and how the absence of Hamas in the West Bank meant Israel gets away with crimes without much media coverage

So my point to you, go read about the ongoing crimes and violations in the West Bank and tell me Israel how Israel is also the good people there.

That exact topic is adressed quite well in the video I linked. Atleast much better than what I could produce here in text.