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SvennoJ on 08 June 2024

Thousands protest for Palestinians in London

Tens of thousands of demonstrators are marching through the centre of London waving Palestinian flags and holding banners that say “Free Palestine”.

The pro-Palestinian demonstration packed some of central London’s wider streets as it marched from Russell Square to the Houses of Parliament. The protest took about 90 minutes to file past the group of less than 100 pro-Israel supporters who blared dance music and waved Israeli and British flags.


Pro-Palestinian demonstrators protest the Israeli war on Gaza, in London, UK June 8

 

Pro-Palestinian protesters slam Biden in ‘red line’ rally at White House

Thousands of Gaza war protesters have held a “red line” rally near the White House, voicing anger at US President Joe Biden’s tolerance of Israel’s bloody war in Gaza.

Chanting “From DC to Palestine, we are the red line”, the demonstrators held a long banner with the names of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces scribbled on it.

Biden has faced criticism for supporting the US’s key ally Israel’s actions in the war, which has entered its ninth month.

The White House said in May that a deadly Israeli strike on Rafah did not cross a “red line” that Biden had seemingly set two months earlier when asked about a potential invasion of the southern Gaza city.

The protesters – almost all wearing red clothing – held Palestinian flags and signs saying, “Biden’s red line was a lie” and “Bombing children is not self-defence”.

The White House stepped up security with an additional anti-scale perimeter fence ahead of the demonstration, which saw chartered buses ferrying in people from as far afield as Maine and Florida.


Pro-Palestinian demonstrators holding a ‘red line’, rally near the White House in Washington, DC, on June 8

Germany’s Scholz booed by pro-Palestinian protesters at last EU election rally

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz was giving a speech when he was heckled by pro-Palestine demonstrators.

He addressed the protesters saying they also belonged to a democracy that allows free speech, before saying that Hamas’s attacks on Israel were “inhumane”.

Your continued military support for genocide is inhumane.

 

Israeli police break up antiwar demonstrations in Haifa, arrest protesters

The Israeli police arrested at least three people during a demonstration in the city of Haifa in northern Israel to denounce the Nuseirat massacre in the Gaza Strip.

The police were seen breaking up the protest demonstration, in which a number of activists and citizens from the city of Haifa participated. They chased some of them in one of the city’s streets, assaulted them, and arrested them.

The protest movement was demanding an end to the war on Gaza and denouncing the massacres committed by the occupation authorities in the Gaza Strip, the most recent of which was the Nuseirat massacre.

 

Israeli police arrest protesters in Tel Aviv

Protests in support of the captives still held in Gaza and against the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, are occurring in Tel Aviv.

Israeli police are now saying that the number of people arrested at protests in Tel Aviv has risen to 33, The Times of Israel is reporting.



This video, verified by Al Jazeera, shows violent confrontations on Kaplan Street in Tel Aviv between police and demonstrators:



Demonstration in West Bank over Israeli attack on Nuseirat

People have taken to the streets in Nablus in the occupied West Bank to protest after more than 200 Palestinians were reportedly killed in an Israeli attack on the Nuseirat refugee camp, the Wafa news agency is reporting.

Participants in the march called on the international community to do more to end Israel’s war crimes and for Palestinian unity against Israeli aggression, Wafa reported.



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SvennoJ on 08 June 2024

Investigation needed for claims Israel used humanitarian work cover during Nuseirat attack

Kenneth Roth, the former executive director of Human Rights Watch and a visiting professor at Princeton University, said claims that Israeli forces may have used the disguise of humanitarian aid workers during the Nuseirat refugee camp attack need to be investigated.

“We don’t really know what vehicles were used. The initial allegation was that humanitarian vehicles were used and that, clearly, would be illegal. That would endanger humanitarian workers. Now Israel denied that,” Roth told Al Jazeera.

“So I think we don’t know,” Roth said.

“But what we do know is that an investigation is needed to ensure that this was not an effort to pose as humanitarian workers or medical workers or some kind of protected worker. Because the use of such vehicles would then endanger these people,” he said.




Remember the raid and assassinations in a hospital in the West Bank



No one was held accountable for that, so it would not surprise me in the slightest Israel used humanitarian aid as cover for this massacre.
IDF are a bunch of terrorists.

Israeli attack on Nuseirat did not take precautions to ‘spare civilians’: Rights expert

More from Kenneth Roth, the former executive director of HRS and a visiting professor at Princeton University, who spoke with Al Jazeera earlier:

“I think we have to first recognise that while the numbers currently are at least 210 killed and over 400 wounded, we don’t have a breakdown yet of how many of those were fighters versus civilians,” Roth told Al Jazeera.

“There clearly was a firefight. So I think we can’t draw definitive conclusions until we know a bit more,” Roth said.

“But there are certain conclusions that we can reach. For example, the Israeli military said that it deliberately launched this rescue operation during the day, hoping to surprise Hamas. Hamas would have expected it to come at night,” Roth said.

“The one problem with operating during the day is that civilians are all about. And some of the bombs clearly fell either on or right adjacent to a market in al-Nuseirat which was filled with people,” he said.

“And in those circumstance, you predictably will get larger numbers of civilian casualties than if it had been a night-time operation. That is inconsistent with the duty to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians harm.”

Nasser Hospital treating open fractures, unconscious children: MSF

Here’s more from Doctors Without Borders (MSF), which says its medical staff are helping to treat “an overwhelming number of severely injured patients” at Al-Aqsa and Nasser hospitals in central Gaza.

“In one hour, we’ve received about 50 badly injured patients,” said Chris Hook, the MSF medical Referent at Nasser Hospital.

“There are people with multiple major open fractures. We’ve got several unconscious children. The intensive care unit is full, and more patients are arriving,” Hook said.


A car carrying injured people arrives at the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir el-Balah, in the central Gaza Strip on Saturday

Video footage captures moment of Israel’s ‘massacre’ in Nuseirat refugee camp

The video footage obtained and verified by our colleagues at Al Jazeera Arabic shows the terrifying moments when Israel missiles slammed into the Nuseirat refugee camp in an attack on Saturday that killed 210, wounded more than 400 and has been described as a “massacre”.

People scream as they run for cover as missiles rain down as part of an Israel operation that released four captives held in Gaza by Hamas fighters.



SvennoJ on 08 June 2024

Thousands surround White House, demand Biden end support for Israel's war on Gaza



On Saturday, June 8, thousands of anti-war activists unfurled a two-mile-long “people’s red line” around the White House in Washington, DC, to demand that the Biden Administration halt its support for Israel amid its 8-month assault on Gaza. Journalist and former TRNN reporter Jaisal Noor speaks with demonstrators on the ground in DC.



Pro-Palestinian demonstrators gathered outside the White House in Washington, DC on Saturday for a ‘red line’ protest against US support for Israel’s war on Gaza


The activists held a long red banner that continued down the streets of Washington, DC and chanted ‘From DC to Palestine, we are the red line’


The White House said in May that a deadly Israeli strike on Rafah did not cross a ‘red line’, which Biden had seemingly set two months earlier


The Biden administration has provided Israel with billions of dollars in military aid, including heavy bombs and artillery shells that Biden admits have killed Palestinian civilians



SvennoJ on 09 June 2024

INTERVIEW: Briahna Joy Gray on Her Firing from The Hill After Criticizing Israel





Dozens Of Palestinians Massacred To Rescue Four Israeli Hostages




Israeli Settlers' Possessor Consciousness Hinders Peace| Insights from Paulo Freire


Very well explained and points to needing outside intervention, at least in sanctions, to try to solve the long ongoing conflict. Unless Israeli elections can somehow remove or at least reduce the Settler stranglehold on the government, the conflict will not be solved.

Peace in Israel-Palestine can only be achieved by solving the Westbank settler problem and removing the blockade on Gaza.



SvennoJ on 09 June 2024

Israeli military free total 7 captives, negotiations freed more than 100: Rights expert

Kenneth Roth, the former executive director of Human Rights Watch and a visiting professor at Princeton University, spoke to Al Jazeera earlier about the Israeli attack on the Nuseirat refugee camp:

“This rescue operation means that a total of seven [captives] have been released alive because of Israeli military operations. Whereas over a hundred have been released through negotiations,” Roth said.

“At this stage, Netanyahu is a major obstacle to concluding negotiations with Hamas because he does not want to agree to a long-term permanent ceasefire that Hamas is insisting on. And that’s very clear.

“Netanyahu needs a forever war.

“Once the war stops, he then faces a political reckoning for the intelligence failure of October 7.

“Why were Israeli soldiers much more focused on the West Bank, protecting settlers than on adjacent to Gaza? These are questions that could easily topple his government and end him up in prison.”


Residential building after the Israeli attack on the Nuseirat refugee camp in the central Gaza Strip on Saturday


Overwhelmed Gaza hospitals treat wounded in tents


A man holds a Palestinian child at Al-Aqsa Hospital who was injured on Saturday when Israel launched simultaneous attacks on the Nuseirat refugee camp, Bureij refugee camp and Maghazi refugee camp


Injured Palestinians at al-Awda Hospital in central Gaza on Saturday as Israel launched attacks on Nuseirat and other refugee camps


Doctors Without Borders, MSF, said that hospitals were treating an overwhelming number of people with severe injuries



Israel could have freed all captives ‘alive and intact’ months ago: UN expert

The UN’s special rapporteur on the human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory said the release of four Israeli captives held in Gaza did not need to come at the expense of hundreds of Palestinian lives, including women and children.

In a post on social media. Francesca Albanese said she was “relieved” for the four Israeli captives, but added that Israel “could have free all hostages, alive and intact, 8 months ago when the first ceasefire and hostage exchange was put on the table”.

“Israel refused in order to continue to destroy Gaza and the Palestinians as a people,” Albanese said.

“This genocidal intent turned into action,” she said.

“Israel has used hostages to legitimise killing, injuring, maiming, starving and traumatising Palestinians in Gaza.”

Francesca isn't holding back anymore.



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SvennoJ on 09 June 2024

Nuseirat is ‘epicentre’ of Gaza’s trauma: UN relief chief

In a post on X, Martin Griffiths said that “images of death and devastation following Israel’s military operation” in Nuseirat show the war in Gaza is “only growing more horrific”.

“Seeing bloodied patients being treated on hospital floors, we are reminded that health care in Gaza is hanging by a thread,” Griffiths added.

Griffiths acknowledged four Israeli captives have been “reunited with their families” but said that all of the “scores” of people still being held captive “must be released”.


 

‘It was like a horror movie’: Paramedic says Israel hit market, mosque in Nuseirat attack

A paramedic who witnessed the Israeli attack on the Nuseirat refugee camp said it was “like a horror movie, but this was a real massacre”, the Reuters news agency reports.

Ziad, a 45-year-old paramedic from Nuseirat who gave only his first name, told Reuters the attack hit near a marketplace and the al-Awda mosque.

“Israeli drones and warplanes fired all night randomly at people’s houses and at people who tried to flee the area,” said Zaid.

“To free four people, Israel killed dozens of innocent civilians,” he said.

Many bodies were still lying in the streets, including around the market district, after the attack, Ziad and other residents told Reuters.




At least three killed, several wounded in Israeli overnight attacks on Gaza

At least three people are now known to have been killed, including a small child, and several injured in an Israeli attack on a residential apartment in Gaza City’s Daraj neighbourhood, the Wafa news agency reports.

Artillery shelling was also reported in the Zaitoun and Sabra neighbourhoods in Gaza City in the north of the territory, according to Al Jazeera Arabic.

Israeli warplanes attacked the Shaboura area to the north of Rafah city overnight, and a person was wounded in an Israeli attack on the Bureij refugee camp in the central part of the Gaza Strip, Al Jazeera Arabic reports.

A house was also hit in the al-Dawa area to the north of the Nuseirat camp, though the number of casualties was not immediately known.

Israel’s celebration after captives rescue is short sighted, even tragic, says Marwan Bishara

Al Jazeera’s senior political analyst Marwan Bishara said the celebrations following the Nuseirat refugee camp attack were “the most tragic aspect of it all”.

It is one thing for families and relatives to celebrate the return of their loved ones that were held captives, Bishara said. But it is something entirely different for the Israeli and United States governments to “turn it into some kind of national holiday”.

“That is just so tragic and so short sighted,” Bishara said.

“After more than 40 captives have already died. After more than 40,000 Palestinians have already been killed. They want to celebrate the rescue of four captives that could have been easily rescued in any exchange deal?

“I mean, how short sighted could any politician be?”




zeldaring on 09 June 2024
SvennoJ said:

Thousands surround White House, demand Biden end support for Israel's war on Gaza



On Saturday, June 8, thousands of anti-war activists unfurled a two-mile-long “people’s red line” around the White House in Washington, DC, to demand that the Biden Administration halt its support for Israel amid its 8-month assault on Gaza. Journalist and former TRNN reporter Jaisal Noor speaks with demonstrators on the ground in DC.



Pro-Palestinian demonstrators gathered outside the White House in Washington, DC on Saturday for a ‘red line’ protest against US support for Israel’s war on Gaza


The activists held a long red banner that continued down the streets of Washington, DC and chanted ‘From DC to Palestine, we are the red line’


The White House said in May that a deadly Israeli strike on Rafah did not cross a ‘red line’, which Biden had seemingly set two months earlier


The Biden administration has provided Israel with billions of dollars in military aid, including heavy bombs and artillery shells that Biden admits have killed Palestinian civilians

I give these people credit cause i gave up these people are up against the cartel of the world with unlimited money that they can even sanction the international courts. 



SvennoJ on 09 June 2024
zeldaring said:

I give these people credit cause i gave up these people are up against the cartel of the world with unlimited money that they can even sanction the international courts. 

Yes it seems the only hope is that genZ has woken up enough to carry this on into law making positions later in their lives.

I'm feeling quite pessimistic about this round leading to any sort of solution. At most I see a temporary ceasefire happening with enough pressure. Israel will not retreat from Gaza without actually being held accountable with sanctions and drop of military support. And that just doesn't seem to be in the cards with how the USA and Germany stand behind Israel. (70/30 split in military support, 1% UK, rest all smaller)

Israel has already leveled a buffer zone in Gaza shrinking the territory by 32%. Next to taking control of the Philadelphi corridor (border with Egypt) and building the Netzarim corridor for easy raid access. The post war plan for Israel is in plain view, turning Gaza into another West Bank. Further strengthen the blockade, rule with brutal oppression, split Gaza in half and if the Settlers get their way, start settlements again in Gaza.

This will only increase resistance, so the conflict goes on.

The fallout from destroying the international rule based order will ripple on. Russia, Iran, China will only feel more emboldened doing whatever they want. US credibility is gone, Arab countries will turn further to BRICS and US rule will continue to decline. Eventually a new world order / balance will come forward, yet for the Palestinians in Gaza it will be a terrible life until cards are in place for real change.

There's a small chance Europe grows some balls and starts pushing back against the USA/UK/Germany, poses sanctions on Israel and works towards a new peace agreement. Yet while being busy with the Ukraine-Russia problem, Gaza is secondary. Which is backwards, as Russia takes full advantage of the breakdown of international law.

Russia is posing empty threats to the West, yet the West does exactly the same. All words, another warning, maybe some meaningless sanctions, maybe an arrest warrant no one will act on. Even if the ICJ rules it a genocide in the coming years, the UNSC won't act on it, Israel will ignore it protected by the US veto.

The only hope is to keep people aware to what is happening so it might finally change the views of those with the power to actually do something. Or wait for the next generation of politicians and law makers to have a more inclusive world view.

This video deserves a lot more views, explains really well why it's all the colonial countries that support Israel and don't value Palestinian lives.



You could also call it Colonial entitlement.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3180896

Since it's ingrained behavior crossing generations, it can only be undone by education / keeping people aware of the consequences.

It's still happening here as well (Canada) against the indigenous population. We now have this land acknowledgement statement before events, yet still continue to take more land from the reservations we pushed the indigenous people into. For example https://www.caepla.org/latest_un_indigenous_land_grab

Humans still have a long way to go before becoming part of humanity as is the Greek work humanitas for "human nature, kindness” including all humans. We still very much live in the dark ages of Us vs Them. The ruling elite knows how to exploit this, fear mongering, keeping people divided and fighting over scraps.

And thus we march headlong into awaiting disasters from climate change like Lemmings walking off a cliff :/

(Sorry for painting such a grim picture. It is quite a lovely Sunday morning outside. Enjoy it while you can!)





SvennoJ on 09 June 2024

Continuing US support allows Netanyahu to pursue ‘war crimes strategy’ in Gaza: Rights expert

More from Al Jazeera’s interview earlier with Kenneth Roth, former executive director of Human Rights Watch and a visiting professor at Princeton University:

International pressure on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to end the war on Gaza “clearly is good, it’s just insufficient”, Roth told Al Jazeera

“If you look at President Joe Biden, he says the right things. He says take more care to spare Palestinian civilian life. Let in more food and humanitarian aid. But he doesn’t back that up with action,” Roth said. “He continues supplying the arms and the military aid that is used to bomb and starve Palestinian civilians.

“When the International Criminal Court prosecutor sought an arrest warrant for Netanyahu, Biden said it was, basically, an outrage. “So he is not providing real backing to his appropriate words of caution. And Biden is the most important backer of Netanyahu.

“Until that changes, I fear that Netanyahu is going to feel that he still has a green light to keep going with the war crimes strategy that he has been pursuing.”


Palestinians inspect the damage and debris a day after after an Israeli raid killed 274 people


Witnesses: Israeli soldiers disguised as displaced Palestinians in Nuseirat attack

Two witnesses have told Al Jazeera how a unit of Israeli soldiers arrived in a truck carrying furniture to apparently appear as if they were displaced Palestinians moving into a residential building in the Nuseirat refugee camp.

“They arrived in an undercover truck, pretending to be moving furniture as if they were displaced individuals,” one witness said. “They bombed my house, as well as my brother’s and the neighbours’.”

Another witness told Al Jazeera that Israeli soldiers used a ladder to climb into his home as he was preparing breakfast for his wife and baby.

“I caught sight of a specialised forces unit. It had furniture in the vehicle to make it look like it belonged to displaced people. Suddenly the operative got out two ladders and came into our home fully armed. Chaos erupted with gunfire and explosions,” he said.

“My 18-month baby boy cried out in fear,” he said. “My wife was screaming.”


A Palestinian girl climbs over debris while navigating a street in Nuseirat

How did Israel’s military carry out the Nuseirat operation?

Omar Ashour, professor of security and military studies at the Doha Institute for Graduate Studies, has spoken to Al Jazeera about the Israeli military tactics that went into its operation to free four captives in Nuseirat on Saturday.

Ashour noted that a day before the operation, Israel re-dispatched several brigades, including one specialised in urban warfare, into Gaza. These brigades began “heavy operations’ to the east of Deir el-Balah and Bureij to draw out Hamas fighters and “obscure” their upcoming raid on Nuseirat, he said.

Then, Israel’s military launched an intense assault on Nuseirat, which is highly densely populated, he said, as they went in to get the captives. It was far from a surgical operation and closer to a breaching operation, Ashour said.

“The success part was the rescuing of the four hostages. The disastrous part was the killing of over 200 people,” said Ashour.


Palestinians look at the aftermath of the Israeli bombing in Nuseirat refugee camp, Saturday



SvennoJ on 09 June 2024

Injured children without family treated at Al-Aqsa Hospital after Nuseirat attack

Jamal Salha, a doctor at Deir el-Balah’s Al-Aqsa Hospital, says the facility is packed with trauma patients, including children, severely hurt in Israel’s indiscriminate attack on the Nuseirat refugee camp on Saturday.

“In our neurosurgical department, we admitted more than 20 patients with severe head injuries,” Salha told Al Jazeera. “One of them was a child with a head injury that required surgery. Another was a child with a head injury due to shrapnel.

“He [the child] was without his family, most probably his family were killed,” said Salha.


An injured child at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital on Saturday

Al Jazeera reporter describes horror inside Gaza’s overwhelmed hospital

The dead and wounded from Israel’s massive assault on Gaza’s Nuseirat refugee camp have overwhelmed hospitals.

Al Jazeera’s Hind Khoudary is at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital in Deir el-Balah where the scene resembles a slaughterhouse.


‘Only a deal’ can bring home the rest of the captives: Retired Israeli general

Israel Ziv, the former head of the Israeli military’s operations division, has commented on the rescue of four Israeli captives in a raid that killed more than 200 Palestinians in Nuseirat refugee camp on Saturday.

Ziv said there should be a “comprehensive deal” to bring back the remaining captives to end the war. “Only a deal can bring the captives back…such a deal cannot stand alone, it must be part of a comprehensive deal to end the war,” he was quoted as saying by Israel’s Maariv media.

“This time,” he added, “it is more in Israel’s interest than Hamas’s because there is an existential threat looming in the north.”

Ziv added that the operation, one of Israel’s most “complex and dangerous” ever, was a “very big success”. Nevertheless, Hamas will surely draw lessons from it and take steps to deter any future captive-rescue operation, he said, meaning the only way to bring home all the captives is through an exchange deal.