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Macklemore releases track about college protests over Gaza

Hind’s Hall, the rapper’s new song about the student protests against the Gaza war, calls out the US for suppressing dissent and for funding Israel’s war.



You tube already put age restriction on it.

"Hind's Hall"




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1.5 million people ‘cannot simply vanish into thin air’: Germany

A “major offensive” in Rafah must not be launched, Germany says, after Israel sent tanks into the city in southern Gaza. “I warn against a major offensive on Rafah,” Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said on X.

“A million people cannot simply vanish into thin air. They need protection. They need more humanitarian aid urgently … the Rafah and Kerem Shalom [Karem Abu Salem] border crossings must immediately be reopened.”


‘There is no Plan B for the people in Rafah’

More than 30 British NGOs have signed a joint statement urging the UK government to work urgently to prevent any further assault on Rafah.

In their statement, the signatories including Action Aid UK, Christian Aid UK, Care International UK, International Rescue Committee UK, Medical Aid for Palestinian, Oxfam GB and Save the Children UK said repeated statements by British politicians “have been ignored by Israel”.

“The failure of our leaders to back words with meaningful action is glaring,” the groups said, calling on the government to “finally act to stop the slaughter”.

“The UK must work urgently to stop any further assault on Rafah from going ahead, demand an immediate lasting ceasefire, resume funding to UNRWA, and suspend arms sales to Israel for as long as there is a risk they may be used to violate international humanitarian law,” they added.

“A ceasefire is the only way to stop the death and destruction, get more aid to those who desperately need it, and safely release the hostages.

“There is no Plan B for the people in Rafah.”

 

‘Forced displacement is a war crime’: UN

Israel has strict obligations under international humanitarian law to ensure the safety of civilians in Gaza, a spokeswoman for the UN human rights office says.

The comments came hours after Israeli forces seized the Rafah border crossing with Egypt in a push against the southern city. Ravina Shamdasani said that, according to international law, Israel must ensure civilians have access to medical care, adequate food, safe water and sanitation.

“Failure to meet these obligations may amount to forced displacement, which is a war crime,” Shamdasani said. “There are strong indications that this [Rafah offensive] is being conducted in violation of international humanitarian law.”


Palestinians on the move after an evacuation order issued by the Israeli army in Rafah

Initial move into Rafah just the beggining: Mercy Corps aid worker

Saleem, an aid worker for Mercy Corps in Gaza, says he believes the initial Israeli invasion of the eastern area of Rafah signals the start of a larger military operation. “It’s a matter of time and all of Rafah will be invaded. There’s a pervasive fear that some areas will be suddenly bombed without prior evacuation warnings,” he said.

Saleem – whose name has been changed for safety reasons – said he’s thinking of heading to the central region, mostly Deir el-Balah, but the journey is “one of the most challenging things right now” as 1.5 million displaced people are also seeking to move.

Transportation costs 10 times more than usual with the average price $270. “There’s a genuine concern for a repeat of the famine scenario seen in the north. Should the invasion of Rafah persist without a ceasefire, the upcoming period will be marked by immense difficulty and tragedy.”


‘Israel will not end the war’: Former diplomat

Alon Liel, the former director general of Israel’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, says Israel is “ready to pay the price, even if it’s high” internationally to go into Rafah.

“Israel will not end the war and there will be no wording in the agreement to release hostages for any permanent ceasefire, any permanent ending of the war. Everybody can just forget about it. The Israeli government is not strong enough to sign such a deal, it will fall if it does,” Liel told Al Jazeera.

“Only if there’s meaningful change to the text that exists now that Hamas agreed to, then we might see a deal. Israel sees this Hamas so-called acceptance of the deal as a Hamas offer, not as an American-backed deal. And this cannot be accepted,” he added.

The former diplomat noted it’s Holocaust Day and the US government will not pressure Israel. “The feeling is here if Israel is not accepting [the deal], the Americans will not push further, especially on such a day.”



Israeli minister promises to ‘deepen’ Rafah offensive if captive deal fails

Israel will continue its operation in Rafah until Hamas fighters in the area are destroyed or the group hands over one of the Israeli captives it still holds, Defence Minister Yoav Gallant says.

Gallant visited troops in the Rafah area and said Israel is willing to make “compromises” to bring home captives.

“If that option is removed, we will go on and deepen the operation. This will happen all over the Strip – in the south, in the centre and in the north. Hamas only understands force, so we will intensify our action, and the military pressure will result in us crushing the Hamas organisation,” the Times of Israel quoted him as saying.




Israeli captive dies of wounds from Israeli attack: Hamas

Hamas says the captive died of injuries sustained in an air strike a month ago. Abu Ubaida, a spokesperson for the Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s armed wing, identified the deceased as Judy Feinstein, 70, saying she and another captive sustained serious injuries in an Israeli attack on a site where they were held.

Hamas is believed to be holding more than 130 captives taken from southern Israel during its October 7 attacks.

 

Plumes of smoke cloud Rafah’s skies

The Israeli army has been heavily shelling areas of the Gaza Strip’s southernmost city since the early hours of the morning.

In this social media video, smoke can be seen in the skies of the al-Jnaina neighbourhood east of the city.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6q7fMKtcmv



Report: Biden administration delaying bomb shipments to Israel

The US media outlet Politico reports the Biden administration, which has enabled Israel’s war in Gaza through massive weapons and funding transfers, is delaying the shipment of two kinds of precision bombs to try to pressure Israel.

The story, which cites an anonymous US official and six others familiar with the issue, was published as Israeli officials pledged to move forward with an assault on Rafah, an area of Gaza where it had previously told hundreds of thousands of displaced people to relocate for their own safety.

International organisations and foreign governments, including the US, have warned against an attack on the tightly packed area, saying that it would be a humanitarian catastrophe. The Biden administration, however, has given no indication that it will cut off weapons supplies if the assault moves forward.


Biden rallies support for Israel in speech on anti-Semitism

US President Joe Biden has used a speech on anti-Semitism to rally support for Israel, reiterating his “ironclad” support even as Israel’s ground war on Gaza threatens to expand into Rafah, where humanitarian officials say an assault would be a catastrophe for civilians.

The speech also comes as the Biden administration faces demonstrations against the war on university campuses across the country, which he has previously distanced himself from and accused of leaning into anti-Semitic rhetoric. Jewish and Arab communities have both reported upticks in discrimination since the beginning of the war.

“Not 75 years later, but just seven and a half months later [after an assault by Hamas on southern Israel on October 7], and people are already forgetting, they’re already forgetting, that Hamas unleashed this terror that it was Hamas that brutalised Israelis, that it was Hamas that took and continues to hold hostages,” Biden said. “I have not forgotten, nor have you. And we will not forget.”


Yet you conveniently forget the thousands and thousands of Palestinian hostages Israel has taken, kidnapped in nightly raids, placed under administrative detention, torturing and starving them in packed jails without access to legal representation nor medical care, not allowed visits. Which has been going on for over 50 years. https://www.militarycourtwatch.org/page.php?id=iz63ezSbG7a11412A1qkQJHcUuf

You are a bigoted racist and need to be brought before the ICC for enabling and complicity in genocide.



US says Israel assures it Rafah operations will be ‘limited’

White House national security spokesman John Kirby tells reporters during a news briefing that Israel has informed the US that its operations in Rafah will be focused on blocking weapons and financial support from being smuggled into Gaza.

The US has warned Israel against an assault on Rafah, which humanitarian groups say would have cataclysmic results for the hundreds of thousands of displaced people originally instructed by Israel to relocate there, but Washington has given few signs that it would dampen its support for Israel’s war if such an assault moves forward.


‘They have gone crazy’: Intense tank fire on Rafah

Rafah residents report heavy tank shelling in the evening in some areas of eastern Rafah.

“They have gone crazy. Tanks are firing shells, and smoke bombs cover the skies and with smoke over al-Salam and Jnaina neighbourhoods,” said Emad Joudat, 55, a Gaza City resident displaced in Rafah.

“I am now seriously thinking of heading north, maybe to the central Gaza area. If they move farther into Rafah, it will be the mother of massacres.”

About 1.4 million people have been crammed into tent cities and makeshift shelters and are suffering from shortages of food, water, medicine and other essentials.

Israel bombs Rafah municipal building

Al Jazeera’s correspondent reports that Israeli army artillery fire has hit the headquarters of the local government in Rafah, as it steps up strikes on the southern Gaza city.

 

Israeli settlers attack aid convoy on way to Erez crossing

Jordan says Israeli settlers have attacked a humanitarian aid convoy on its way to Erez crossing in northern Gaza and “tampered with its contents” in the second such incident in less than a week.

Foreign ministry spokesperson Sufyan Qudah said the convoy, which drove through the Israeli-occupied West Bank from Jordan, later managed to continue its journey and reach its destination in war-devastated Gaza.

“Jordan holds Israel responsible for the attack by extremist settlers … it constitutes a breach of its legal obligations as an occupying power,” Qudah said.



Pro-Palestine protesters gather in Paris

Video posted on X, and verified by Al Jazeera, shows a large gathering of people showing support for Palestinians in Gaza and for an end to Israel’s war at Place de La Republique in the French capital.

Early in the war, France banned protests against the war and cracked down heavily against demonstrators. However, by the beginning of November 2023, protests in solidarity with Palestinians were allowed.




Dutch Scholars for Palestine condemns police use of force at student protest

Faculty members at Amsterdam University have denounced the response by authorities to a pro-Palestine demonstration by students that ended violently when Dutch police intervened with force.

Police used a bulldozer to knock down barricades and detained 140 people on Monday. Teachers and university employees angered by the police response called for another protest on Tuesday.

“Students and staff describe the use of pepper spray, police batons, police dogs and bulldozers to forcefully remove them. People were injured because of this excessive violence,” a group calling itself Dutch Scholars for Palestine said in a statement.

“We firmly and unequivocally insist upon the rights of students and scholars to engage in protest. We deplore the University of Amsterdam administration’s reliance on using violence instead of engaging in the students’ justified demands.”

Amsterdam University said in a statement: “We deeply regret that things went the way they did. Demonstrating is permitted at the UvA, but without covered faces, barricades or an atmosphere of intimidation.”


Amsterdam University students set up a solidarity encampment for Palestinians on campus


Clashes break out in pro-Palestinian rally in Greece

Clashes broke out between police and protesters during a pro-Palestine rally in central Athens. More than 300 people carrying Palestinian flags and banners reading “Hands off Rafah!” rallied outside the parliament building in the Greek capital.

“We are here in solidarity and we will respond any time the Palestinians call [for solidarity],” said protester Antonis Davanellos, a 60-year old pensioner.

Police fired tear gas to disperse a small group of protesters who climbed up the gate of the Egyptian embassy opposite parliament. The clashes were brief.



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Hamas delegation arrives in Cairo for ceasefire talks

A statement from the Palestinian group says that its negotiations, led by Khalil al-Hayya, arrived in Cairo a short while ago from Doha.

The Hamas delegation travelled to Cairo in order to “follow up on efforts with the mediator brothers in Egypt and Qatar, to complete the agreement to stop the aggression against our people in the Gaza Strip”, according to the statement.

Hamas negotiators left Cairo late last week, saying that the current round of talks was over, before surprising the world yesterday by saying the group accepts a ceasefire proposal put forward by mediators Qatar and Egypt.


‘Stand firm’: Israel PM says delegation in Egypt for Gaza talks

Israeli negotiators have arrived in Cairo for talks on a truce in Gaza and release of abuctees, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says in a statement shared by his office.

He said he instructed the Israeli delegation to “stand firm on the conditions necessary for the release” of Israeli captives held in Gaza and on “essential requirements for guaranteeing Israel’s security”.

‘Ball is in Netanyahu’s court’: Hamas spokesperson

Hamas spokesperson Osama Hamdan has said that the mediators’ proposal is being put in jeopardy by Netanyahu.

“Hamas movement’s agreement on the proposal by the mediators have placed Netanyahu in a hard place and caused him to act in a hysteric fashion with statements that reveal a poltiical defeat and a stretagic loss,” Hamdan said at a news briefing in Beirut.

“The ball now is in Netanyahu’s court. Their behaviour and attitude after we announced our agreement reflects the determination by this criminal to spoil all attempts of mediation including those of the US and expresses carelessness for the lives of the captives who are threatened every day through the bombardments of the Israeli military.

“The ball is also in the court of the US administration … to prove and establish their sincerity by pressuring Netanyahu’s government.”

Targeting Rafah crossing hinders any negotiation process: Hamas

Hamas spokesperson Osama Hamdan says Israel’s attack on the Rafah border crossing with Egypt is an attempt by Netanyahu to hinder agreement on and implementation of a ceasefire.

“The occupation forces attacking Rafah crossing is a crime and a serious and dangerous escalation against a civilian facility that is under the protection of international law,” Hamdan said at a news briefing in Beirut.

“Invading and attacking the Rafah crossing by [Israeli forces] with predetermination by Netanyahu is an attempt to hinder the implementation of the agreement to stop the attack on our people. It’s a desperate attempt to create a pseudo-victory that can save some face for Netanyahu. This will never be achieved.”


Unbelievable, United states of Israel in action. Biden is Netanyahu's bitch through and through.

Biden administration denies that Hamas accepted ceasefire proposal

The Biden administration has denied in a news briefing that Hamas accepted a ceasefire proposal yesterday.

“[State Department spokesperson] Matthew Miller said that Hamas did not accept the ceasefire proposals, it responded and in their response made several suggestions. This is very different interpretation of what Hamas itself thinks that it did, and is certainly the kind of comment that could have an impact on what is happening in Cairo at present,” Al Jazeera correspondent Mike Hanna reported from the State Department in Washington, DC.

End of the war means ‘accountability’ for Netanyahu

Marc Owen Jones, an associate professor of Middle East studies and digital humanities at Hamad Bin Khalifa University in Qatar, says there appears to be a “blame game” being played between Israel and Hamas regarding the ceasefire talks.

He said it is clear Netanyahu is not interested in a ceasefire, as has been the case since the start of the war. An end to the conflict would mean “accountability, not just domestically for his various criminal accusations, but now potentially by the International Criminal Court”, Jones said.



Wow and CNN publishes this today?! WTF

Opinion: The antisemitic lie at the heart of too many campus protests

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/opinions/columbia-university-israel-campus-protests-antisemitism-ghitis/index.html


Prefacing it with "Opinion" doesn't make it less of inciting hate speech filled with lies and disinformation.


Editor’s Note: Frida Ghitis, a former CNN producer and correspondent, is a world affairs columnist. She is a weekly opinion contributor to CNN, a contributing columnist to The Washington Post and a senior columnist for World Politics Review. The views expressed in this commentary are her own.


"Those who keep saying that Israel’s response is an act of revenge rather than the strategic, defensive war that most Israelis view as a fight for national survival against a determined enemy backed by a powerful country are deliberately distorting reality. In doing so, they are perversely evoking the same false blood lust and grotesqueness embedded in the blood libel archetype."


If anything it shows people have learned nothing from WW2 and the holocaust. The only progress has been in getting better at oppression, denial and murdering people.



This version is not age restricted (added blur)



Yeah the people they won't leave with it's threatening about divesting and want peace
The problem isn't the protest is what they're protesting
I
t goes against what our country is funding

Block the barricade until Palestine is free
Block the barricade until Palestine is free

When I was seven I learned a lesson from Cuban Easy E what was it
again
Oh yeah fuck the police, actors and badgers protecting property and a system that was designed by white supremacy

But the people are in the streets You can pay off meta you can't pay off me
Politicians who serve by any means Aipac Cufi and all the companies

You see we self fear around the land of
the free
But this generation here is about to cut the strings
You can ban Tik Tock take us out the algorithm
But it's too late we've seen the truth we bear
witness

Seen the rubble the buildings
the mothers and the children
and all the men that she murdered and then we see how
you spin it
Who gets the right to defend and who gets the right of resistance
has
always been about dollars and the color of your pigment

But white supremacy is finally on blast screaming Free
Palestine to their home and last
We see
the lies and claiming it's anti-semitic to be anti-Zioninst

I've seen Jewish brothers and
sisters out there and rinding in solidarity
and screaming Free Palestine with the organizing, unlearning and finally cutting ties
with the state that's got to rely on apartheid system to uphold an occupying
violent history been repeating for the last 75 The Nakba never ended, the colonizer lied

If students in tents posted on the lawn occupying the quad is really
against the law
and a reason to call in the police and their squad
Where does
genocide land in your definition Huh

Destroying every College in Gaza and every mosque
Pushing everyone into Rafah and dropping bombs
The blood is on
your hands Biden we can see it all and
Fuck no I'm not voting for you in the fall, Undecided

You can't twist the
truth, the people out here united
never be defeated when Freedom's on the
horizon
Yet the music industry is quiet complicit in their platform of Silence

What happen to the artist what you got to say if I was on a label you could drop me today
I'll be fine with it cuz the heart fed my page
I want a cease fire Fuck a response from Drake

What you willing to risk what you willing to give
What if you were in Gaza what if those were your kids
If the West was
pretending that you didn't exist
you want the world to stand up and the
students finally did

let's get it



Cobretti2 said:
padib said:

How are we so concerned about antisemitism when thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians are living a genocide (mass murder) right now? It's so lopsidedly unimportant at the moment, for anyone with a sense of justice and respect for human life.

And even with all this said, the protests proved to not be anti-semitic, this video explains things well:

Because of the optics of singling out the protests and history of countries being against Jews trying to wipe them out.

Atm there is genocide in Ukraine, Sudan, Christians in Nigeria, Hazara Shias in Afghanistan, North Korea, Minorities in Myanmar, Uyghur in China, Ethiopia, Congo etc.

Yet no protests for these?  They don't exist because no one seems to care (hence why I said hypocrisy is human's greatest weakness in another post), but when Israel does it, it is wrong and protests break out all over the world? 

This is why the optics look bad, when you single out one genocide, especially against a race that was on the receiving end on genocide recently in our history.

I dont know about the rest but since i know this part is bullshit compared to whats going on in gaza atm i can only imagine the rest is too and is you trying to downplay whats going on here.



zero129 said:
Cobretti2 said:

Because of the optics of singling out the protests and history of countries being against Jews trying to wipe them out.

Atm there is genocide in Ukraine, Sudan, Christians in Nigeria, Hazara Shias in Afghanistan, North Korea, Minorities in Myanmar, Uyghur in China, Ethiopia, Congo etc.

Yet no protests for these?  They don't exist because no one seems to care (hence why I said hypocrisy is human's greatest weakness in another post), but when Israel does it, it is wrong and protests break out all over the world? 

This is why the optics look bad, when you single out one genocide, especially against a race that was on the receiving end on genocide recently in our history.

I dont know about the rest but since i know this part is bullshit compared to whats going on in gaza atm i can only imagine the rest is too and is you trying to downplay whats going on here.

@Ryuu96 knows a lot more about this but the ICC has issued arrest warrants against Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova for the war crime of abducting children from Ukraine, which is one of the items in the Genocide conventions.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and

However the ICJ has not quite ruled that Russia's attack on Ukraine is plausible genocide
https://www.justsecurity.org/91781/taking-stock-of-icj-decisions-in-ukraine-v-russia-cases-and-implications-for-south-africas-case-against-israel/

That situation is more complex though as Russia accused Ukraine of committing genocide in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, which the court has also not decided on yet.

In a cunning twist, it [Ukraine] used Russia’s own disinformation against it, arguing that Russia’s false claims that Ukraine was engaging in genocide against members of the Russian ethnic minority in eastern Ukraine, which it had used to justify its unlawful acts of aggression, made for a “dispute” under the Genocide Convention that the Court should resolve. The Court agreed, and in its March 2022 order on provisional measures, decided that Ukraine’s claims were plausible and, among other things, ordered Russia to “immediately suspend the military operations that it commenced on 24 February 2022 in the territory of Ukraine”—an order Russia had entirely and predictably ignored.


Putin wants to erase the Ukrainian identity, which is what the genocide convention is for to prevent.



But you're right the situation is quite different with Gaza. Ukrainians have the option to 'move out of the way'

As of December 2023, an estimated 3.7 million persons were living in internal displacement within Ukraine, with 80 per cent of all IDPs having been displaced for longer than one year and 39 per cent of all IDPs displaced more than once (IOM Displacement Tracking Matrix, 2024)

Hence fewer civilian casualties than in Gaza. Ukraine is also over 1600 times the size of Gaza.
In Gaza nearly the entire population (of 2 million) has been displaced multiple times in just 6 months.

However Russia carpet bombs and shells Ukraine just like Israel destroys everything in Gaza.
https://www.voanews.com/a/drone-footage-shows-how-russian-airstrikes-devastated-ukrainian-city/7594211.html



Anyway it doesn't matter which is worse, both need to end. The biggest difference is the West is (slowly) helping Ukraine to defend itself against Russia, while on the other hand defending and helping Israel in destroying Gaza.