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SvennoJ on 07 May 2024
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zero129 said:
Cobretti2 said:

Because of the optics of singling out the protests and history of countries being against Jews trying to wipe them out.

Atm there is genocide in Ukraine, Sudan, Christians in Nigeria, Hazara Shias in Afghanistan, North Korea, Minorities in Myanmar, Uyghur in China, Ethiopia, Congo etc.

Yet no protests for these?  They don't exist because no one seems to care (hence why I said hypocrisy is human's greatest weakness in another post), but when Israel does it, it is wrong and protests break out all over the world? 

This is why the optics look bad, when you single out one genocide, especially against a race that was on the receiving end on genocide recently in our history.

I dont know about the rest but since i know this part is bullshit compared to whats going on in gaza atm i can only imagine the rest is too and is you trying to downplay whats going on here.

@Ryuu96 knows a lot more about this but the ICC has issued arrest warrants against Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova for the war crime of abducting children from Ukraine, which is one of the items in the Genocide conventions.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and

However the ICJ has not quite ruled that Russia's attack on Ukraine is plausible genocide
https://www.justsecurity.org/91781/taking-stock-of-icj-decisions-in-ukraine-v-russia-cases-and-implications-for-south-africas-case-against-israel/

That situation is more complex though as Russia accused Ukraine of committing genocide in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, which the court has also not decided on yet.

In a cunning twist, it [Ukraine] used Russia’s own disinformation against it, arguing that Russia’s false claims that Ukraine was engaging in genocide against members of the Russian ethnic minority in eastern Ukraine, which it had used to justify its unlawful acts of aggression, made for a “dispute” under the Genocide Convention that the Court should resolve. The Court agreed, and in its March 2022 order on provisional measures, decided that Ukraine’s claims were plausible and, among other things, ordered Russia to “immediately suspend the military operations that it commenced on 24 February 2022 in the territory of Ukraine”—an order Russia had entirely and predictably ignored.


Putin wants to erase the Ukrainian identity, which is what the genocide convention is for to prevent.



But you're right the situation is quite different with Gaza. Ukrainians have the option to 'move out of the way'

As of December 2023, an estimated 3.7 million persons were living in internal displacement within Ukraine, with 80 per cent of all IDPs having been displaced for longer than one year and 39 per cent of all IDPs displaced more than once (IOM Displacement Tracking Matrix, 2024)

 Hence fewer civilian casualties than in Gaza. Ukraine is also over 1600 times the size of Gaza.
In Gaza nearly the entire population (of 2 million) has been displaced multiple times in just 6 months.

However Russia carpet bombs and shells Ukraine just like Israel destroys everything in Gaza.
https://www.voanews.com/a/drone-footage-shows-how-russian-airstrikes-devastated-ukrainian-city/7594211.html



Anyway it doesn't matter which is worse, both need to end. The biggest difference is the West is (slowly) helping Ukraine to defend itself against Russia, while on the other hand defending and helping Israel in destroying Gaza.