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sc94597 said:
haxxiy said:

The . For actual GPUs in real-world scenarios, you can see the improvement was more like ~ 3 times between a GeForce 10 and a GeForce 40:

The Switch 1's chip was Maxwell, not Pascal. You'd want to compare the 4080 to a 980. That is more of a 5 times difference. 

The X1 in the Switch was also originally 20nm. The die-shrink to 16nm happened with later revisions, with a battery life improvement. 

The 980 used 28 nm. 20 nm and 16 nm are both a full node ahead of the 980 and other GPU Maxwells (their physical features are about the same size) and are in theory twice as power efficient. Key word: in theory.

The thing is that 20 nm had massive leakage issues for anything consuming more than a few W. So, TSMC branded their 20 nm with FinFets as 16 nm since they considered it a half-node worth of improvement.

The fact that the Switch uses Maxwell in its SoC is not anywhere as relevant as the fact that it uses 16 nm instead of 28 nm. The architectures are very similar, the nodes are very different.

Though if Nintendo aims for a battery life more like the OG Switch, then yeah, they have more leeway than I implied before, I'll give you that.



 

 

 

 

 

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-Adonis- said:

So we're still in the dark. Some say the opposite than others.

Edit - Sorry I didn't see this article : https://www.vgchartz.com/article/458491/nintendo-briefed-activision-blizzard-on-switch-2-last-year/

And common sense wins again.Not even a freaking apple 15 pro is matching  series s and people expect switch to match it lmao. every freaking gen it's the same nintendo fans over exaggerating the specs by 2x or 3x and sounding smart while doing so but no using common sense. Nintendo doesn't care about power they want profits from day one, don't expect them to match handhelds that are worth 800$ or Iphone 15 pro which are companies that actually care about making the most powerful handheld or mobile devices. 

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Norion said:
numberwang said:

Same was said by Activision CEO Bobby Kotick:

Activision CEO Bobby Kotick was quoted in an email to Nintendo President Shunturo Furukawa that the successor platform to the Switch has "closer alignment to 8th generation hardware", specifically the PlayStation 4 [1.8 TF] and the Xbox One [1.3 TF].

"Given closer alignment of Gen 8 platforms and our previous offerings on PS4 and Xbox One, it's reasonable to assume we can make something compelling for NG (next generation) Switch as well." - Bobby Kotick
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/64152/federal-trade-commission-case-reveals-proposed-power-level-of-switch-successor

Steam Deck is 1.6TF mobile, so I would expect a slimmer, cheaper, longer battery Switch 2 to have 1TF mobile and 1.6TF docked.

That would be a disappointing increase of only quadruple the current Switch. I hope it's more of a 6-7 times increase.

Switch1 in mobile mode is only around 200GFlops so Switch2 1TF mobile would be a 5x increase. Add in white magic DLSS and you get a good generational jump.



numberwang said:
Norion said:

That would be a disappointing increase of only quadruple the current Switch. I hope it's more of a 6-7 times increase.

Switch1 in mobile mode is only around 200GFlops so Switch2 1TF mobile would be a 5x increase. Add in white magic DLSS and you get a good generational jump.

Isn't it 236 so only 4.2 times an increase? DLSS will help for sure though the Switch was a nice capable handheld console for early 2017 but that seems a fair bit worse for a late 2024 handheld which could very well happen but ideally not. I hope it will at least match the Xbox One in handheld while exceeding the PS4 at least somewhat while docked in TF.



If it makes some of you feel any better, the next generation xbox console feature targets leaked and oh look, it includes ML based Super Resolution. Guess what DLSS is? ML based Super Resolution. So you could think of it as the Nintendo Switch getting that particular 2028 Xbox/PS6 technology 4 years ahead thanks to Nvidia.

https://videocardz.com/newz/xbox-series-2024-refresh-and-next-gen-xbox-details-leak-out-microsoft-considering-amd-zen6-and-navi5-architectures



                  

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

If it makes some of you feel any better, the next generation xbox console feature targets leaked and oh look, it includes ML based Super Resolution. Guess what DLSS is? ML based Super Resolution. So you could think of it as the Nintendo Switch getting that particular 2028 Xbox/PS6 technology 4 years ahead thanks to Nvidia.

https://videocardz.com/newz/xbox-series-2024-refresh-and-next-gen-xbox-details-leak-out-microsoft-considering-amd-zen6-and-navi5-architectures

Wait it's the same amd gpu. How can it have dlss? 



zeldaring said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

If it makes some of you feel any better, the next generation xbox console feature targets leaked and oh look, it includes ML based Super Resolution. Guess what DLSS is? ML based Super Resolution. So you could think of it as the Nintendo Switch getting that particular 2028 Xbox/PS6 technology 4 years ahead thanks to Nvidia.

https://videocardz.com/newz/xbox-series-2024-refresh-and-next-gen-xbox-details-leak-out-microsoft-considering-amd-zen6-and-navi5-architectures

Wait it's the same amd gpu. How can it have dlss? 

It doesn't have DLSS, it will have a similar technology to DLSS made by Microsoft in 2028. RDNA 5 will likely have upgraded cores that can do faster Ai acceleration. Right now, AMD is at RDNA 3 while PS5/Xbox Series have RDNA 2. So when AMD releases RDNA 5, Microsoft will make their own DLSS for their next generation Xbox in 2028 but call it something else.



                  

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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
zeldaring said:

Wait it's the same amd gpu. How can it have dlss? 

It doesn't have DLSS, it will have a similar technology to DLSS made by Microsoft in 2028. RDNA 5 will likely have upgraded cores that can do faster Ai acceleration. Right now, AMD is at RDNA 3 while PS5/Xbox Series have RDNA 2. So when AMD releases RDNA 5, Microsoft will make their own DLSS for their next generation Xbox in 2028 but call it something else.

Oh I see. Yea its a given by then amd will have their own version of dlss. Intel already has one and it's a shame amd hasn't caught up. For some reason I thought you were talking about the refesh.



numberwang said:
Norion said:

That would be a disappointing increase of only quadruple the current Switch. I hope it's more of a 6-7 times increase.

Switch1 in mobile mode is only around 200GFlops so Switch2 1TF mobile would be a 5x increase. Add in white magic DLSS and you get a good generational jump.

157 Undocked. 393 when docked. And it's not a valid measurement of capability.

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Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

My confusion is people act upsclaing is new. Sony implemented checkerboarding in 2016. Nobody should be surprised that upscaling is the future. The idea that Nintendo is going to scale to save resources for other performance aspects isn't new, novel nor exclusive. Checkerboarding on the ps5 works amazing. 1440p scaled to 4k while 2x increase in fps. Scaling is only going to become more common.