It's not a gray area. Celebrating the death of a non-violent political enemy because you don't like their opinions, is objectively abhorrent. You keep trying to dance around the fact but it's clear as day. If you can't say that it's wrong, you are validating them.

None of the mods are celebrating the death. 

I do think it is wrong to celebrate, even if I understand why.  

I think if you care about violence, you need to call out all of it. Otherwise you're being intellectually dishonest.  

nvm

i agree with a lot of what youre saying here, but i do think the mods could be much, much worse when it comes to cracking down on views they dont like. i do see a pretty decent attempt at being fair. 

all that being said, i have reported many posts that i felt were over the top when it came to celebrating/rejoicing in this murder, and it seems they chose to just lock the thread altogether. which is fine, whatever. i do think that some of those posts were pretty egregious though.

Charlie Kirk on Deaths From Gun Violence

"It's worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year, so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights." 

Charlie Kirk on Civil Rights Act

"We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s."

Charlie Kirk on Martin Luther King Jr

"Awful" & "Not a good person"

Charlie Kirk on COVID-19 Vaccines

Described it as "medical apartheid"

Charlie Kirk on the Capitol Storming

Kirk said he would bring “80 + busloads of patriots to DC to fight for the president” He claimed the violent acts at the Capitol were not an insurrection.

Charlie Kirk on George Floyd

"Scumag"

Charlie Kirk on Indian Immigrants

"No form of legal immigration has so displaced American workers as those from India"

Charlie Kirk on Democrats

He said that Democrats "stand for everything God hates"

The Week

Charlie Kirk Before He Died, Demonising Trans People

Moments before Kirk was shot on Wednesday, numerous livestreams of the event showed an audience member asking him how many mass shooters in the last 10 years have been transgender Americans.

"Too many," Kirk responded.

The person said five was the number, then asked Kirk if he knew how many mass shooters in total America had seen in the last 10 years. "Counting or not counting gang violence?" Kirk replied.

Charlie Kirk on Abortion

"Abortion is murder and should be illegal, including in cases of rape"

When asked, if someone raped his hypothetical 10-year-old daughter, would he want the child to be born.

"The answer is, yes, the baby would be delivered," he said.

Charlie Kirk on Women and Fertility Collapse

Young women who voted for Kamala Harris, they want careerism, consumerism and loneliness." 

When pop star Taylor Swift and NFL player Travis Kelce announced their engagement on Aug. 26, Kirk was quick to discuss it on his podcast, suggesting that getting married and having "a ton of children" would "stop this kind of liberal endorsing Joe Biden nonsense." 

He said he hoped marriage would make Swift more conservative and encouraged her to "Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge." 

Charlie Kirk on Gaza

He was described by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday as a "lion-hearted friend of Israel."

On July 28, Kirk posted a video on X saying "No, Israel is not starving Gazans," amid calls from humanitarian organizations to avert further starvation and famine in the region.

Charlie Kirk on Empathy

"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage." 

CBC News

Charlie Kirk on Palestine

"It's a non-existent place"

He argued that Palestinian grievances were exaggerated by media and activists, and dismissed claims of Israeli occupation or settler colonialism as ahistorical.

Charlie Kirk on Israel's Genocide

"When you keep on using genocide, you're basically trying to cheapen actual genocides that have happened the last 100 years"

Kirk was a vocal and consistent supporter of Israel throughout his career.

He hosted discussions arguing that Israel “was right all along” in its security measures, dismissing anti-Israel narratives as lies.

Kirk’s views the Gaza conflict — particularly post-October 7, 2023 — justified Israel’s response to “Hamas terrorism,” rejecting accusations of genocide, starvation or disproportionate force.

Charlie Kirk on "Spiritual Battle"

"The spiritual battle is coming to the West and the enemies are wokeism or Marxism combining with Islamism"

Charlie Kirk on US House Member Ilhan Omar/Rashida Talib

"Do you think Ilhan Omar has enriched the United States of America?"

Charlie Kirk on Israel's War Crimes

"Oh war crimes? Really? How? Killing kids? Hold on. You mean, they drop leaflets before they bomb in Gaza...It's called "war", okay? And in war, sometimes bad things happen. Who started this?"

Facebook Video

Charlie Kirk on Islamd

“Islam has conquest values. They seek to take over land and territory, and Europe is now a conquered continent,”

Charlie Kirk on Zohran Mamdani (Running for Mayor)

“24 years ago a group of Muslims killed 2,753 people on 9/11. Now a Muslim Socialist is on pace to run New York City,” linking Mamdani’s candidacy to fears of Islamic influence.

Charlie Kirk on Muslims

“It’s not Islamophobia to notice that Muslims want to import values into the West that seek to destabilize our civilization.”

Charlie Kirk on Minneapolis Mayoral Candidate Omar Fateh

Accused him of participating in an “Islamic takeover” and claiming: “Muslims are commanded to take over the government in the land they live.”

5Pillars

Charlie Kirk on Black Pilots

“If I see a black pilot, I’m going to be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.”

Charlie Kirk on Black People

“Happening all the time in urban America, prowling blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more.”

“If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because affirmative action?”

Charlie Kirk on Black Politicians "Stealing White Spots"

“If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us ... You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.”

Charlie Kirk on Gender Affirming Care Doctors

“We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately.”

Charlie Kirk on the Great Replacement Theory

“The American Democrat party hates this country. They wanna see it collapse. They love it when America becomes less white.”

“The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different.”

Charlie Kirk on Religion

“There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists.”

The Irish Times

Charlie Kirk on the Guy Who Bashed Nancy Pelosi's Husbands Head In

“Why has he not been bailed out?” Kirk said Monday on his podcast of the man who allegedly beat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband Paul with a hammer last Friday. “By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out

Rolling Stone

Charlie Kirk on British Colonialism

British colonialism was the most benign global empire ever

Charlie Kirk on Gay People

Labelled being gay as an "Error" and likened it to being an alcoholic or drug addict.

Kirk then offered a message to gay people: “You’re better than this.”

Kirk called the stoning verse, “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

MeidasTouch News

I feel sorry that his kids will grow up without a father, although this is the same father who said if his daughter was raped he would make her have the child still, but nevertheless, kids love their fathers. Having said that, a horrible person having a family doesn't avoid them of any criticism, plenty of horrible people have families. And you may say Kirk hasn't directly hurt someone, it's just words, but that isn't true, Kirk's disgusting rhetoric does hurt people, it does lead to harm, it does lead to suicides, most recently the rampant increase in transphobia in the UK resulting in a trans kid being murdered due to transphobia. Kirk is a bigot, and him being dead doesn't change that, and if people want to talk about that then they're free to do so. Especially when they're directly impacted by Kirk's words.

Celebrating a Death =/= Criticising the Person.

no disrespect to you ryuu, but if any of these things above were said by any user on this site, theyd be summarily banned, probably permanently. id put forth to those of you who feel its fine to disrespectful to him here on this forum after what him and his family just went through is to not stoop down to this level. if you think charlie kirk is pedaling darkness it cannot be fought with more darkness. darkness can only be overcome by light. thats just my two cents. it has been really disheartening for me to see so much of this sentiment everywhere. im not going to argue about any of the things that he said because honestly it doesnt matter and it isnt about that right now. the man bled out from his neck on stage in front of his wife and kids and millions of people. i just feel like people have lost their humanity. thats really what it feels like. i already know what youre going to say, go for it im ready.

I know y'all like to talk about politics here more than games but at least keep it in the politics section which I feel the discussion y'all having fits more there than on this topic...and use this thread to talk about the actual forum issues and to look for solutions to improve the state rather than arguing about a political topic/figure.

People who aren't part of marginalized communities have no idea what its like to have people like Charlie Kirk prodding the masses to direct hatred towards you. We're only supposed to show sympathy after the victims are identified and move on with our lives, never ask how and why it happened in the first place. Sympathy for the dead is easy and clean because the dead can't speak for themselves, and sympathy for the living isn't real according to Charlie Kirk.

Also I agree, this isn't a politics topic, unless we're suggesting politics isn't good for the state of the forum itself. I don't think it needs to be about specific ideologies or events.