Well, why do you keep hunting me down on other websites? LOL.

That's augumented reality technology that the Gizmondo has. The Gizmondo is an awesome portable that failed in terms of sales, just like the awesome GP2x, the awesome Nokia N-Gage, the awesome Zodiac, the awesome Gamegear, and arguably, the awesome Playstation Portable. You've never heard of it because there are only about 8,000 units in existence. Yeah, it did horrible in sales.

ArtofAngels your are too funny! this was the funniest post of the day from you.... http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=2595&start=0#end i was lolorz

I don't know how you could call that funny.

No, not everything that goes into the handheld market can be considered a failure if it doesn't intend to compete with the big guys. It isn't an excuse, its the truth. GPH themselves never wanted to compete against Nintendo or Sony, they said this from day one. You can't fail at something you were never trying to do, now can you? Saying the same for the Gizmondo would be an excuse, because Tiger wanted to take on the big boys and failed. Same could be said for Sony, although I personally don't consider the PSP a complete failure. I never said the GP2X was a success because it sold more than the Gizmondo, I said that to show how poorly the Gizmondo did. A totally unknown handheld from a small korean company, beat out a company that pumped millions into a handheld that was dead from the start. I own a Gizmondo so please don't say I know nothing of it, you assume way too much. Sure I've probably not had it as long as you, but I've had it long enough to compare homebrew and communities, after all it doesn't take long to notice the Gizmondos shortcomings. Yes the Gizmondo has the power and capabilites to become a great handheld, but all of the is useless unless you have the devs. that are willing to take the time to take advantage of all those capabilities, which the Giz doesn't. The GP2X doesn't need help on its commercial library because it was never supposed to be a commercial handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Do you own a GP2X, because you really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to this handhelds history it seems. I could be wrong and if I am I apologize. I'm not insulting the Gizmondo, its a pretty good handheld that I don't regret purchasing from my friend, but for what I wanted it, which was emulators and homebrew games, the GP2X really is better and the Giz doesn't even come close. I'm speaking from a community standpoint here, not about who was more successful or not. Though the GP2X is still being produced and sold, while the Giz is no longer being made. The only reason I don't call the GP2X a failure in sales is because the handheld has already outperformed its company's expectations. They never hope for it to sell millions or have commercial games or anything like that. Again, you can't fail at something you never set out to do. I never said I hated the Gizmondo, seriously stop assuming so much and I don't think you understand what I'm saying to you, the N-Gage is a failure, because like the Gizmondo it set out to compete with the bigger companies and didn't succeed. While more people know the name Gizmondo most just ridicule the handheld and while the GP2X is a less known name its funny how its sold more huh? Is the GP2X's popularity a failure when compared to the likes of the DS? Of course. But again Gamepark Holdings was after popularity in the niche homebrew market, not the commercial handheld market. lol I wouldn't say every handheld is a "marvels in enginuity", there are some pretty bad ones that I'd consider failures all around ;) You don't have to repeat yourself though, I know where you're coming from. The GP2X is a failure in sales when compared to the DS or PSP. It is also a failure in popularity. Where I'm coming from is that the GP2X was never meant to sell millions, it was just meant to be a contender in the homebrew market, which it is. Can we agree to disagree on that? After all, everything we both said is pure opinion. And I don't mean any disrespect to you as you've been fairly respectful. Only thing I didn't enjoy was you assuming I didn't like or I hated the Gizmondo, which I absolutely do not. The community is one of the nicest around and it can do alot of things, the thing is there's not much people to develop for it. If there was a handheld I hate it would be the DS. I just can't enjoy a single game on the handheld, I'll never enjoy playing with that stylus, but I'm going off topic now.

Glad someone appreciates my weird humour.

No, not everything that goes into the handheld market can be considered a failure if it doesn't intend to compete with the big guys.

I am sorry. Everything that enters the game industry is in competition. That is how it works. If that were not the case, all of the failures would state that they were not in competition. Sorry, that one does not work! At the end, only sales figures count anyways. The GP2X sold very little when compared to the big boys, so in comparison, they failed.

It isn't an excuse, its the truth. GPH themselves never wanted to compete against Nintendo or Sony, they said this from day one. You can't fail at something you were never trying to do, now can you?

Makes no difference what they state. You cannot over ride fact with words. It's like Nintendo stating that their Wii is not white, but yellow. If you enter the handheld market, you are in competition. Never has a handheld, whom a company stated was not in competition, ever successfully defeated a handheld that was. Coincidence? No. That is sometimes stated when one knows the handheld is going to fail, and don't want a bad name after it does. It's an exucse. Also, console sales are the only things we have to compare popularity of consoles. And, a handheld can only be considered a failure in terms of popularity when compared with a successor Therefore, if you compare the GP2X to the Nintendo DS, it is a failure, for two reasons. One, all handhelds are in competition, and two, the Nintendo DS sales far exceed the GP2X.

The GP2X has failed, just like the Gizmondo, and Nokia N-Gage, in terms of sales, when compared to the Nintendo DS. Whether one states that it is in competition or not, will not change the sales of the system. It exists as it is, and stands in place where it is, no matter what is said about. Its sales, and its stand in the handheld market in terms of popularity, wont change.

Saying the same for the Gizmondo would be an excuse, because Tiger wanted to take on the big boys and failed. Same could be said for Sony, although I personally don't consider the PSP a complete failure.

Sorry, this means nothing. Whether one states they are in competition or not means absolutely nothing. Everyone is in competition. Simplify the aspects, because the only way in determining if a handheld failed or not, is by looking at the sales figures, and comparing them to the sales figures to a succcessor. You must compare it to the other guys if you want to know if it is a success or not in terms of popularity. That is how it works. None of this "no competition" crap will work.

If you suddenly find yourself in a race, and do not race, you are still behind everyone else, and even though you did not lose the race, when compared to the last person who participated in the race, you are the inferior, whether you tried, or not.

All of that information means nothing, especially when you compare all of the handhelds. The GP2X, although stated was not in competition, failed to be more popular than the Nintendo DS. Because the Gizmondo is so similar to the GP2X, the Gizmondo will follow the GP2X in any way you view the GP2X. If the GP2X failed, so did the Gizmondo. If it succeeded, then so did the Gizmondo.

I never said the GP2X was a success because it sold more than the Gizmondo, I said that to show how poorly the Gizmondo did. A totally unknown handheld from a small korean company, beat out a company that pumped millions into a handheld that was dead from the start.

Means nothing. Absolutely nothing. All that proves is that Gizmondo was more of a failure, which is true, in terms of popularity. However, as it stands, the GP2X failed in terms of popularity, and no excuse, not even the bull shit, "it never competed" excuse, because if the handheld is being sold over the globe, its success will be compared to others to determine where it stands.

I own a Gizmondo so please don't say I know nothing of it, you assume way too much. Sure I've probably not had it as long as you, but I've had it long enough to compare homebrew and communities, after all it doesn't take long to notice the Gizmondos shortcomings. Yes the Gizmondo has the power and capabilites to become a great handheld, but all of the is useless unless you have the devs. that are willing to take the time to take advantage of all those capabilities, which the Giz doesn't. The GP2X doesn't need help on its commercial library because it was never supposed to be a commercial handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? Do you own a GP2X, because you really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to this handhelds history it seems. I could be wrong and if I am I apologize.

You've had the Gizmondo way longer than I have. I have had it for a few days. But, I know my facts, and I know common sense. I don't care if the GP2X is better. It is better. Slightly better. But both are failures in terms of popularity. That is the only point I want to make across. And I will own a GP2X soon. Now stop praising the GP2X over the popularity line by including facts that have nothing to do with popularity. Look at the Playstation 3; Most technologically advanced console, yet a failure when compared to the Nintendo DS, in terms of popularity. I don't need to know anything about the Gizmondo, or GP2X. All I need to do is compare console sales. That is all that it's about. That's it. Even if the Wii was a brick, and did nothing, and sold 100 million consoles, it would be more successful than the Playstation 3 in terms of sales (not to say that it would in reality, because if it was a brick, no one would buy it. I am just saying, "if it was," and "if it did sell over 100 million.")

We are discussing popularity. Everything else means absolutely nothing, when we are only discussing if the GP2X is a failure, in terms of popularity (man, how many times have I said, "in terms of popularity? It's getting very repetitive). I t doesn't matter who said who's in competition. It doesn't matter about any of that. Why? Because all you have to do is compare the sales figures. As it stands, the Gizmondo, and GP2X, are not successes in terms of sales. Why can't you understand that. I probably like the GP2X more than you do. It's an awsome portable, and I want one really badly. I like the Gizmondo too. They are both successes in terms of hardware, but know the truth. It isn't rocked science. Just because they failed in terms of popularity means nothing. Actually, it's better for us, because not as many people can enjoy the Gizmondo, or GP2X, because there are less of them out there.

I'm not insulting the Gizmondo, its a pretty good handheld that I don't regret purchasing from my friend, but for what I wanted it, which was emulators and homebrew games, the GP2X really is better and the Giz doesn't even come close. I'm speaking from a community standpoint here, not about who was more successful or not. Though the GP2X is still being produced and sold, while the Giz is no longer being made.

No offense to you, but one thing that really bothers me is when people automatically assume that just because I post some negative facts about something, they automatically think I hate it. The negative fact about the Gizmondo, and GP2X, is that they failed in terms of sales. That's it. Doesn't mean I hate them. I mentioned earlier that I view no portable, and no console as a failure, because they are marvels of technology, and nobody else on this entire website has ever developed a console, or portable, that can even touch the Gizmondo, and GP2X, so nobody can class any of them as failures as they stand alone. You can only class something as a failure if you compare it to a successor. No handheld, or console, is a failure by fact. It will always be an opinion of comparing it to a successor.

If no other handheld existed, the Gizmondo would be a success in terms of popularity. In fact, if you compare the Gizmondo to the Atari Cosmos, it appears to be a success, by opinion. If you compare the Gizmondo to the Playstation Portable, it appears to be a failure by opinion. Just remember, nothing is a failure by fact. Nothing. It is always an opinion. However, there are obvious exceptions, such as "failure to jump over the pit," for if you fall into the pit, it is a fact that it is a failure. However, in this situation,  a portable, or console, only appears to be a failure if compared to a successor, and is a success, if compared to an inferior (what's the opposite of successor? Failuressor? No. Crap, I don't know). If you compare the GP2X to a Nintendo DS in terms of sales, most opinions will state that it has failed. That is the truth.

The only reason I don't call the GP2X a failure in sales is because the handheld has already outperformed its company's expectations. They never hope for it to sell millions or have commercial games or anything like that. Again, you can't fail at something you never set out to do.

Means nothing. Expectations means nothing. All you proved is that they expected it to fail in terms of sales when compared to everyone else. Sorry, the fact that the company states they are not in competition means nothing, and the fact that the company didn't have high expectations means they expected it to fail when compared to the big guys, and means that they planned for it to be a failure when compared to the big guys, when stating it was not in competition, even though, by default, everything is.

I never said I hated the Gizmondo, seriously stop assuming so much and I don't think you understand what I'm saying to you, the N-Gage is a failure, because like the Gizmondo it set out to compete with the bigger companies and didn't succeed. While more people know the name Gizmondo most just ridicule the handheld and while the GP2X is a less known name its funny how its sold more huh?

Means nothing. Who cares who did what. At the end, all that matters is sales figures. That's it. It doesn't matter who expected what to do what. It doesn't matter if they wanted to compete, or not. At the end, they stand as they are. Sales is all that matters!

Is the GP2X's popularity a failure when compared to the likes of the DS? Of course. But again Gamepark Holdings was after popularity in the niche homebrew market, not the commercial handheld market.

Please don't argue about this. It's like arguing about if the Nintendo Gamecube sold more than the Playstation 2. All I am trying to say is, to classify something as a failure is always an opinion when there are no facts. Even then, the facts can be meaningless. Also, most terms of failures applies to an inferior to when both are compared to each other. As the GP2X stands in terms of popularity with everyone, it is certainly not one of the more dominant handhelds.

lol I wouldn't say every handheld is a "marvels in enginuity", there are some pretty bad ones that I'd consider failures all around ;)

Really? You are incorrect. Sorry, handheld technology was not possible before only a few years ago. Everything technology has to offer should be respected, and looked at as a marvel of technology. The "wheel" is a marvel of technology. The "light bulb" is a marvel of technology. The Microvision (earliest handheld ever) is a marvel of technology. I am sorry, there is no such thing as a bad handheld that absolutely resembles no significance of anything intellectual towards man kind. Doesn't exist. Lets see you make a Microvision. I can't. I have no idea how to do it. Please don't think too narrow mindedly. At the end, it all depends on how you view a certain portable, or console. People tend to view the handhelds they like more, differently, to convince themselves that they are better than what they are. But when you look at the facts, and the facts only, as it stands, by sales figures, and sales figures only, GP2X is a failure, in most opinions, unless you classify as one unit sold, as a success.

I understand why you view some portables as failures in terms of hardware, because you are comparing them to better ones. Just because some are better, doesn't mean the inferior ones are bad. They are all good, some are just better. That's it. If the Microvision represents a tern in technology, than I think it's safe to classify all other portables as good. And besides that, they truly are, all good. They have their strengths, and weaknesses.

You don't have to repeat yourself though, I know where you're coming from. The GP2X is a failure in sales when compared to the DS or PSP. It is also a failure in popularity. Where I'm coming from is that the GP2X was never meant to sell millions, it was just meant to be a contender in the homebrew market, which it is. Can we agree to disagree on that?

See that sentence I underlined? That's your sentence. You do agree with me. And that is practically the only thing I am trying to say.

A handheld, or console, is only a failure, by opinion, when compared to a successor. You said it best, yourself. That was my point, you recieved it, that's it.

After all, everything we both said is pure opinion.

See? You do understand. The only thing I am having most difficulty doing is trying to explain my opinion to you, since I view the entire concept of determining what is a failure, and what is not, somewhat complex. Some things I may have stated may appear to not be what they are, so please don't judge all of my posts by 100%, since there might be some minor flaws. I never proof read anything, unless it's going to be graded, or relative importance.

And I don't mean any disrespect to you as you've been fairly respectful. Only thing I didn't enjoy was you assuming I didn't like or I hated the Gizmondo, which I absolutely do not. The community is one of the nicest around and it can do alot of things, the thing is there's not much people to develop for it.

Your posts mean absolutely no disrespect. Unless you are insulting me, or something, I have no problem with your posts, or anyones posts, at all. All I want to do is give you a better view of where the GP2X stands.

Now, the way I view it, the GP2X, and Gizmondo, are only failures when compared to the PSP, and NDS. You said it yourself. That is it

If there was a handheld I hate it would be the DS. I just can't enjoy a single game on the handheld, I'll never enjoy playing with that stylus, but I'm going off topic now.

That is pure opinion. You hate it, but you know it is the most successful portable ever. However, you might be under rating the system. Unless you have played all of the games, I don't think you can say much. And a console, and portable, means nothing without the games. I am sure you don't hate all the NDS games. There are too many. Coincidental chances of you really hating all of the NDS games are almost too high to be possible, especially if you like video games.

I never judge the console, or handheld, for what they are, without the games, ever. I only judge the games. I hate no handheld, or console. They only play games. That's it. All handhelds would suck without the games. I only hate games, and boy, are there ever a lot of games that I hate. But all consoles should have at least one game you like.

I really have nothing else to say, you really truly think your opinion is correct or is better than mine, which is fine. I don't believe the same as you in everything you said, but thats okay. I do agree on some of the things you said. There's some things I'd like to comment on such as the stuff about the DS, but debates over the internet tire me. Agree to disagree?

Tell me everything you agree, or disagree. I don't think my opinion is better than yours. Let me summarise my entire post to you; I hope we can agree on this one sentence: Gizmondo and GP2X are only failures when compared to handhelds, or consoles, that sold more, such as the Nintendo DS. Truth is, the fact that they both didn't sell much at all is the only reason why they failed; Oh, and their video game libraries, and the fact that they were too expensive. I think that's about it. Do you agree with that? Anything else you would like to add to that?

I agree with the first line ;) I think there's different levels of success and different levels of failure. Not just you fail or you succeed. You keep saying successors, but the GP2X came out after the DS, so technically the GP2X is the DS's successor, even though I only use that term when speaking about products coming out for the same company. I never thought the GP2X was too expensive, yeah it hardly has any commercial games(although it never was intended to) but I'm sure if a Final Fantasy came out for it, it would helps sales, if thats what you're getting at and I'm not sure how much the Giz cost in the beginning. I remember 300 dollars? Without those dumb Smart Ads. I'm not sure, it was awhile ago. That's all I'd like to say about that. I shouldn't even be on here at work!!! :P