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mhsillen on 14 June 2023
the-pi-guy said:
mhsillen said:

The only problem is certain states don't like the idea of mutilating young kids. Another thing why is it so important that young children need to know how some peope enjoy sex? Its like their training children

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm going to hope that you're not relating these things to LGBT groups, because both claims are nonsense.

Children are not learning about sex. Some people are just wanting children to be aware that some people have two dads or two moms, and that's okay and not something to be ashamed of.

And trans kids are not being mutilated, if that's your implication here.

Chidren as young as 2 have had this happened. 



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IvorEvilen on 14 June 2023
mhsillen said:
the-pi-guy said:

What on earth are you talking about?

I'm going to hope that you're not relating these things to LGBT groups, because both claims are nonsense.

Children are not learning about sex. Some people are just wanting children to be aware that some people have two dads or two moms, and that's okay and not something to be ashamed of.

And trans kids are not being mutilated, if that's your implication here.

Chidren as young as 2 have had this happened. 

I was literally circumcised by the same people that are denying healthcare to trans kids.  You know who also encourages forcing genetically intersex children to conform to one sex or the other with surgical intervention, before they are old enough to make their own decisions?  The same people.  And they are mostly very religious.

Do you even know what gender affirming care ACTUALLY looks like for trans children?  It is a LOT of therapy and puberty blockers before they are old enough to have gender conforming surgery.  This can happen for minors in some states, and only if the child, their parents, and medical providers all approve it is the best path forward for their mental well-being.  So please stop spreading BS.

The toddlers getting surgery on their genitals are NOT trans.  They are little boys and intersex children being mutilated in the name of their parents' religion.



mhsillen on 14 June 2023

A child who is 5 needs gender affirming care?  A lot of people have gone through the surgery and have ended up worse off.  Its for everyone to see on one of those cable shows that has followed a boy who had is man parts chopped off and she is a mess. the mom will not listen to her and her suffering.  And their are alot of people who are the same way after getting this surgery.   They are ignored by all the media as it goes against the narrative.  Thats not gender affirming care.



Torillian on 14 June 2023
mhsillen said:

A child who is 5 needs gender affirming care?  A lot of people have gone through the surgery and have ended up worse off.  Its for everyone to see on one of those cable shows that has followed a boy who had is man parts chopped off and she is a mess. the mom will not listen to her and her suffering.  And their are alot of people who are the same way after getting this surgery.   They are ignored by all the media as it goes against the narrative.  Thats not gender affirming care.

The gulf between gender affirming care for a five year old and surgery is massive. At 5 I don't think I've heard of anything beyond letting them dress as the opposite gender and change their name if they're interested. 



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Torillian on 14 June 2023
mhsillen said:

The only problem is certain states don't like the idea of mutilating young kids. Another thing why is it so important that young children need to know how some peope enjoy sex? Its like their training children

No child sees two men holding hands and thinks about how they bang. Should we never let old married couples be around kids because they'll think about how old people have sex? Or perhaps, is it possible to talk about love without it instantly going to how they have sex?



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the-pi-guy on 14 June 2023
mhsillen said:

Chidren as young as 2 have had this happened. 

Kids that are 0, have been circumcized.

The difference is that's actually happened by the tens of millions, whereas 2 year olds are not getting gender affirming surgery.

mhsillen said:

A child who is 5 needs gender affirming care?  A lot of people have gone through the surgery and have ended up worse off.  Its for everyone to see on one of those cable shows that has followed a boy who had is man parts chopped off and she is a mess. the mom will not listen to her and her suffering.  And their are alot of people who are the same way after getting this surgery.   They are ignored by all the media as it goes against the narrative.  Thats not gender affirming care.

Gender affirming care is not surgery.

Gender affirming care may include medicine, therapy, social transitioning (like using a different bathroom, using a different name). For kids it generally is limited to "you can wear a dress".

Surgery is one avenue, but kids aren't allowed to get surgery. They're allowed to get top surgery when they're 16. 
This idea that 5 year olds are getting bottom surgery is blatant misinformation. 



mhsillen on 14 June 2023

There is a show about this very thing. A young boy had is penis removed now has a messy put together hole for a vagina. This girl now will never have an orgasm. This is mutalation. And this has happened to more than just her. Thats what i'm talking about. Not gay people. 



the-pi-guy on 14 June 2023
mhsillen said:

There is a show about this very thing. A young boy had is penis removed now has a messy put together hole for a vagina. This girl now will never have an orgasm. This is mutalation. And this has happened to more than just her. Thats what i'm talking about. Not gay people. 

What show do you think is showing this? 



JackHandy on 14 June 2023
mhsillen said:

A child who is 5 needs gender affirming care?  A lot of people have gone through the surgery and have ended up worse off.  Its for everyone to see on one of those cable shows that has followed a boy who had is man parts chopped off and she is a mess. the mom will not listen to her and her suffering.  And their are alot of people who are the same way after getting this surgery.   They are ignored by all the media as it goes against the narrative.  Thats not gender affirming care.

The term affirming is a misnomer, anyway. Gender Dysphoria (DSM-5-TR) is a serious mental condition, so these sorts of procedures, if they affirm anything, would only affirm that the child or person suffers from it. They don't actually do anything, only damage their body. And studies have shown that it also doesn't improve their mental states. They still suffer from the same distress, same rates of depression and suicide... it really is tragic.

In my opinion, we should have been developing ways for these poor people to live with their conditions, rather than playing into it out of misguided compassion. But politics got involved, and now... sigh. It's all very sad. 



TallSilhouette on 15 June 2023
mhsillen said:

A child who is 5 needs gender affirming care?  A lot of people have gone through the surgery and have ended up worse off.  Its for everyone to see on one of those cable shows that has followed a boy who had is man parts chopped off and she is a mess. the mom will not listen to her and her suffering.  And their are alot of people who are the same way after getting this surgery.   They are ignored by all the media as it goes against the narrative.  Thats not gender affirming care.

I see you don't understand the difference between anecdotes and data.

JackHandy said:

The term affirming is a misnomer, anyway. Gender Dysphoria (DSM-5-TR) is a serious mental condition, so these sorts of procedures, if they affirm anything, would only affirm that the child or person suffers from it. They don't actually do anything, only damage their body. And studies have shown that it also doesn't improve their mental states. They still suffer from the same distress, same rates of depression and suicide... it really is tragic.

In my opinion, we should have been developing ways for these poor people to live with their conditions, rather than playing into it out of misguided compassion. But politics got involved, and now... sigh. It's all very sad. 

https://fenwayhealth.org/new-study-shows-transgender-people-who-receive-gender-affirming-surgery-are-significantly-less-likely-to-experience-psychological-distress-or-suicidal-ideation/

https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicide-risk-reduces-73-transgender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/3523225-absurd-lgbtq-advocates-medical-professionals-respond-to-conservative-study-linking-gender-affirming-care-to-greater-risk-of-youth-suicide/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/mar/08/matt-walsh/gender-affirmation-is-linked-to-improved-mental-he/

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-musk-says-trans-study-shows-higher-suicide-rate-after-surgery-1797082