Ugh. Fuck it. Too tired to argue over it. We have the same people that rant about cancel culture praising literal censorship. Because cancel culture is when people use their money and their voices to persuade a company. That's obviously bad. Instead we should have unelected government officials deciding what people can or cannot say. Dictators are fine as long as they like the dictators. Free speech for me, fascism for thee.

To anyone objects to queer or trans people existing, and that existence being acknowledged in video games, I hope that you either come to better views or one day find yourself on the receiving end of a rusty nail in the cornhole. Either way.

Tradition is bullshit.

If a particular tradition is one that positively contributes to human well being, it can be justified by appealing to tradition. You would just explain why keeping the tradition alive is beneficial in the present day. People virtually never have to appeal to tradition to justify something that is plainly good for society. 

Tradition gets dragged out as an argument when someone has no better reason than "well we used to do it that way". This is another way people try to perpetuate repugnant rules and policies that have no demonstrable value aside from making some hateful people happy. For instance, instead of someone saying they don't want to let gay people get married, they will say they want to protect traditional marriage. Instead of saying they don't want females to have equal rights, they are protecting traditional gender roles. It's dog whistles. 

When someone has to appeal to an abstract concept to justify their position, overwhelming odds are they are full of shit. Only reason people are defending this is because they don't like gays.

There is something very ironic about this pair of comments.  

If only there was a free speech comment to go with it. 

How it should be? Excuse me?

LGBT people are people first. - If you have an issue with LGBT people, then that is your problem, not theirs... So stop making them to be the issue.

Once upon a time it was normal for slavery to exist across the globe, obviously moral standards changed over the centuries and it was frowned upon... Which resulted in even "other" cultures abandoning slavery.

Was that wrong as well?

Hating on LGBT people is not a "tradition". - LGBT people existed before any religion, so they ultimately should have their rights come first.

On one hand you are saying we should remove harsh-penalties, which is a changing of tradition.

But then you are decrying the changing of tradition.

Either you support tradition or you don't, that includes torture, mutilation, slavery and abuse of people, you don't get to pick and choose.

Some facts:
Reduce equality for LGBT people results in higher suicide rates.
LGBT punishments results in higher crime against LGBT people. - I.E. Murders, Mass Killings, Abuse.
LGBT criminalization results in higher incarceration rates which reduces the quality of life of LGBT people. - Unable to strive in life to success.

So where do you draw the line on culture/tradition where you deem it acceptable? Because making LGBT people as criminals results in higher death rates.

Do you not care about the life of LGBT people for the sake of tradition?

I'm really hoping this is a joke. 

They should remove the harsh penalties (nobody deserves to be killed), but they shouldn’t have to change their entire culture over it. I am fond of preserving tradition and cultural values, as long as those traditions and values don’t threaten human life, I am okay with it.

What tradition and cultural values exactly?

Allowing gay people to exist doesn't mean you're forced to participate in any gay activities. Just like allowing a video game with a gay character to release doesn't mean anybody would be forced to play that game.

Saudi Arabia is a country where having families and raising children plays an important role in society. Since homosexual relationships do not produce children, it doesn’t really fit in with Saudi tradition of starting families. If homosexual relationships could produce children, then perhaps it would be more compatible with Saudi Arabian society.

I know that we are steering away from the topic of FF16 being banned in Saudi Arabia, so I will end my discussion here. But if you wanted to know why homosexuality is not seen favourably in Saudi Arabia, there is your answer.

Saudi Arabia is a country where having families and raising children plays an important role in society. Since homosexual relationships do not produce children, it doesn’t really fit in with Saudi tradition of starting families. If homosexual relationships could produce children, then perhaps it would be more compatible with Saudi Arabian society.

I know that we are steering away from the topic of FF16 being banned in Saudi Arabia, so I will end my discussion here. But if you wanted to know why homosexuality is not seen favourably in Saudi Arabia, there is your answer.

No. I'm serious. MBS is le gigachad. Glad to see someone is fighting back at globohomo.

~Banned ~Ryuu96