Pemalite said:
sepoer said:
Well good for Saudi for stand with how it should to be. Not every country should following the Western culture. Even I don't mind with LGB on games or movie with a proper story. |
How it should be? Excuse me?
LGBT people are people first. - If you have an issue with LGBT people, then that is your problem, not theirs... So stop making them to be the issue.
Lavamelon said:
I disagree with Saudi Arabia on most things, but at the same time I respect them for not bowing down to pressure from other societies. Who are we to dictate how they should run their country and traditions? |
Once upon a time it was normal for slavery to exist across the globe, obviously moral standards changed over the centuries and it was frowned upon... Which resulted in even "other" cultures abandoning slavery.
Was that wrong as well?
Hating on LGBT people is not a "tradition". - LGBT people existed before any religion, so they ultimately should have their rights come first.
Lavamelon said:
They should remove the harsh penalties (nobody deserves to be killed), but they shouldn’t have to change their entire culture over it. I am fond of preserving tradition and cultural values, as long as those traditions and values don’t threaten human life, I am okay with it. |
On one hand you are saying we should remove harsh-penalties, which is a changing of tradition.
But then you are decrying the changing of tradition.
Either you support tradition or you don't, that includes torture, mutilation, slavery and abuse of people, you don't get to pick and choose.
Some facts:
Reduce equality for LGBT people results in higher suicide rates.
LGBT punishments results in higher crime against LGBT people. - I.E. Murders, Mass Killings, Abuse.
LGBT criminalization results in higher incarceration rates which reduces the quality of life of LGBT people. - Unable to strive in life to success.
So where do you draw the line on culture/tradition where you deem it acceptable? Because making LGBT people as criminals results in higher death rates.
Do you not care about the life of LGBT people for the sake of tradition?
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The things you are describing (torture and execution) are not “traditions”, they are legal punishments. Traditions are based on lifestyle and culture, legal punishments are based on how the government penalises you for doing something they don’t like. Two very different concepts you are intertwining. Celebrating birthdays is also a tradition, but we don’t torture people who refuse to celebrate their birthdays. You can have traditions without harming people who refuse to follow them.
