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gtotheunit91 said:
DonFerrari said:

Probably almost no one (not that a lot of them wouldn't have terribly slow SSDs). But the mockery against Insomniac saying the game needs SSD was compared to PS4 having HD. So a PC having a decent enough SSD doesn't contradict Insomniac.

I know Insomniac was publicly at the time only comparing the hard drive speeds to the PS4 to make the game possible, BUT, it's only a 2 year difference between console release and PC release. So either the port was barely starting development or was in the planning stage for the game to be ported. PC ports don't happen over night. God of War took at least 2 years to port according to the devs. Insomniac knew what they were doing with their marketing. 

So while they're not outright contradicting themselves, they did so passively because their marketing was very straightforward that the PS5 was the only way to run the game. Some of us obviously knew what Insomniac were referring to, but just the fact that the game is being ported to PC will cause many to view it as Insomniac contradicting themselves. 

You're reading way too much into this. Nixxies are on board and handling the port. Considering what they've already done with Insomniacs engine, getting this port out would've been a lot easier and less time consuming then normal. 



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twintail said:
gtotheunit91 said:

I know Insomniac was publicly at the time only comparing the hard drive speeds to the PS4 to make the game possible, BUT, it's only a 2 year difference between console release and PC release. So either the port was barely starting development or was in the planning stage for the game to be ported. PC ports don't happen over night. God of War took at least 2 years to port according to the devs. Insomniac knew what they were doing with their marketing. 

So while they're not outright contradicting themselves, they did so passively because their marketing was very straightforward that the PS5 was the only way to run the game. Some of us obviously knew what Insomniac were referring to, but just the fact that the game is being ported to PC will cause many to view it as Insomniac contradicting themselves. 

You're reading way too much into this. Nixxies are on board and handling the port. Considering what they've already done with Insomniacs engine, getting this port out would've been a lot easier and less time consuming then normal. 

That's....not what I'm talking about at all lol. There's a huge discourse online that R&C: Rift Apart is a gotcha moment and that the PS5 SSD is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Obviously not the case, but Insomniac's marketing and tech demonstrations of the game prior to launch was all about "the game is only possible on PS5" which of course is in comparison to the PS4. So while not actually contradicting themselves, how could they have not known the backlash from many that will have wrongly interpreted their marketing at the consoles release once the PC version was announced?



"Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is a game that utilises dimensions and dimensional rifts, and that would not have been possible without the solid state drive of the PlayStation 5," explains Smith. "The SSD is screamingly fast, it allows us to build worlds and project players from one place to another at near-instantaneous speeds."

I feel like there's two different ways to read this. In like absolute terms or in relative terms.  

Like if someone  says "this party would not have been possible without Karen", most people would just assume they meant like Karen put the party together or was somehow an inspiration for the party. I doubt anyone would take it as Karen is the only reason that party was physically possible. 

I don't think there are many instances where we would take that phrase in such an absolute kind of way. Unless you're talking about breaking the laws of physics, I think we tend to take that phrasing more metaphorically.  

But of course, it's marketing speech so we have to be extra critical.



the-pi-guy said:

"Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is a game that utilises dimensions and dimensional rifts, and that would not have been possible without the solid state drive of the PlayStation 5," explains Smith. "The SSD is screamingly fast, it allows us to build worlds and project players from one place to another at near-instantaneous speeds."

I feel like there's two different ways to read this. In like absolute terms or in relative terms.  

Like if someone  says "this party would not have been possible without Karen", most people would just assume they meant like Karen put the party together or was somehow an inspiration for the party. I doubt anyone would take it as Karen is the only reason that party was physically possible. 

I don't think there are many instances where we would take that phrase in such an absolute kind of way. Unless you're talking about breaking the laws of physics, I think we tend to take that phrasing more metaphorically.  

But of course, it's marketing speech so we have to be extra critical.

That's part of the problem though lol. There shouldn't be more than a single way of interpreting what marketing is saying, but because there is, that's what's causing confusion and even anger online lol. The gaming community isn't exactly what I could consider to be the most understanding group so it's unfortunate, but like all fake online anger, it'll pass. I'll be busy playing Rachet & Clank again on July 26th



gtotheunit91 said:
the-pi-guy said:

"Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is a game that utilises dimensions and dimensional rifts, and that would not have been possible without the solid state drive of the PlayStation 5," explains Smith. "The SSD is screamingly fast, it allows us to build worlds and project players from one place to another at near-instantaneous speeds."

I feel like there's two different ways to read this. In like absolute terms or in relative terms.  

Like if someone  says "this party would not have been possible without Karen", most people would just assume they meant like Karen put the party together or was somehow an inspiration for the party. I doubt anyone would take it as Karen is the only reason that party was physically possible. 

I don't think there are many instances where we would take that phrase in such an absolute kind of way. Unless you're talking about breaking the laws of physics, I think we tend to take that phrasing more metaphorically.  

But of course, it's marketing speech so we have to be extra critical.

That's part of the problem though lol. There shouldn't be more than a single way of interpreting what marketing is saying, but because there is, that's what's causing confusion and even anger online lol. The gaming community isn't exactly what I could consider to be the most understanding group so it's unfortunate, but like all fake online anger, it'll pass. I'll be busy playing Rachet & Clank again on July 26th

If you want only one way to read a marketing stunt them it would always be "we are exaggerating to sell our product".



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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I don't install games on my PC's SSD due to space. So I install them on a slower external HD.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Leynos said:

I don't install games on my PC's SSD due to space. So I install them on a slower external HD.

I don't keep multiple games installed so for me that haven't really been a trouble.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Leynos said:

I don't install games on my PC's SSD due to space. So I install them on a slower external HD.

Damn, the loading times must be a hassle lol

My gaming rig has 256 GB SSD and a 1 TB HDD - I only use the 1 TB HDD for video files I record.

And I limit how many games I have installed on my SSD - like right now I have Final Fantasy VI, Street Fighter V and Borderlands GOTY Enhanced.

But for future games I'm gonna need a bigger SSD - likely no less than a 1 TB SSD for sure when I get my new rig up - likely next year.

DonFerrari said:

I don't keep multiple games installed so for me that haven't really been a trouble.

Same here. My recordings are usually bigger than my games or as much the size - a 15-20 min recording with OBS takes up like 10 GB.



BasilZero said:
Leynos said:

I don't install games on my PC's SSD due to space. So I install them on a slower external HD.

Damn, the loading times must be a hassle lol

My gaming rig has 256 GB SSD and a 1 TB HDD - I only use the 1 TB HDD for video files I record.

And I limit how many games I have installed on my SSD - like right now I have Final Fantasy VI, Street Fighter V and Borderlands GOTY Enhanced.

But for future games I'm gonna need a bigger SSD - likely no less than a 1 TB SSD for sure when I get my new rig up - likely next year.

DonFerrari said:

I don't keep multiple games installed so for me that haven't really been a trouble.

Same here. My recordings are usually bigger than my games or as much the size - a 15-20 min recording with OBS takes up like 10 GB.

Perhaps I have something like (when talking about big sized games) 2 games I play from time to time, 2 games I'm yet to play and 1 to 3 games I'm currently playing.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

gtotheunit91 said:
twintail said:

You're reading way too much into this. Nixxies are on board and handling the port. Considering what they've already done with Insomniacs engine, getting this port out would've been a lot easier and less time consuming then normal. 

That's....not what I'm talking about at all lol. There's a huge discourse online that R&C: Rift Apart is a gotcha moment and that the PS5 SSD is nothing more than a marketing gimmick. Obviously not the case, but Insomniac's marketing and tech demonstrations of the game prior to launch was all about "the game is only possible on PS5" which of course is in comparison to the PS4. So while not actually contradicting themselves, how could they have not known the backlash from many that will have wrongly interpreted their marketing at the consoles release once the PC version was announced?

I know what you mean, I just don't think it really matters, nor do I think Insomniac really actually cares.

The reason I brought up Nixxies is because not only they one of the best at porting games to PC, they already have extensive knowledge of Insomniac's game engine. So, marketing phrases or not, Insomniac aren't the ones bringing it to PC (in which case maybe the backlash would actually mean something), but rather a team who specialises in it. And, we've heard of 'impossible' ports before (I'm not saying this is one of them)

Like, this is such a non-starter of a controversy I can't help but roll my eyes at it.