Leynos said: So happy this is coming out to modern consoles! I reallyhope Digital Devil Saga is not far behind |
I'm sure it is.
Everything is getting remastered or remade except for Persona 1....
Leynos said: So happy this is coming out to modern consoles! I reallyhope Digital Devil Saga is not far behind |
I'm sure it is.
Everything is getting remastered or remade except for Persona 1....
Kyuu said:
It is lol. But they're underestimating Nintendo and PC's ability to steal players in the long run. |
Sony are gaining new players into their ecosystem as recent as last quarter. Don't think this is as much of a concern right now.
twintail said:
Sony are gaining new players into their ecosystem as recent as last quarter. Don't think this is as much of a concern right now. |
I did say in the long run. It's lagging behind PS4 in sales despite much weaker competition from Xbox. One quarter is nothing.
For the price, PS5 is doing great, but PC is growing much faster. PC popularity is exploding in Asia and developing countries, and it's no doubt been stealing players from consoles. Normally, people would argue a weaker competition from Xbox would feed more into Playstation because it's the "direct competitor", but evidence suggests that a lot of them are switching to PC instead.
Consoles have an aging population which is problematic for growth. PC is now the cool device among teenagers, and Nintendo consoles dominate the younger demographic. While Playstation just keeps finding ways to make their consoles look optional and uncool. Over time, more and more gamers will ask themselves "why am I buying this?" It won't be as bad as Xbox mind you, but Playstation is not immune to the multiplatform strategy, so Sony has to be extra careful.
If Sony moves further towards being a 3rd party publisher, they will lose more players than they gain, and the PS6 might decline considerably in sales despite Xbox's disappearance. It happened in the handheld space 2 generations ago (DS/PSP vs 3DS/Vita) and it can happen again with traditional home consoles.
Anybody get anything decent in the spring sale? Probably one of the best sales I’ve seen. I bought AW2 DE a week before the sales and it ended up being half price 😂 .. the only time that’s ever happened to me. Picked up The Big Con (which I didn’t know released on PS5) for £7, really enjoyed this a few years back, looking forward to replaying it.
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VersusEvil said: Anybody get anything decent in the spring sale? Probably one of the best sales I’ve seen. I bought AW2 DE a week before the sales and it ended up being half price 😂 .. the only time that’s ever happened to me. Picked up The Big Con (which I didn’t know released on PS5) for £7, really enjoyed this a few years back, looking forward to replaying it. |
Only 3 games on Playstation
PS4
-Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain
-Cotton Fantasy
-Wonder Boy Collection
I wanna get Sly 2 and 3 - hoping for a slight discount.
Final Fantasy VII Remake's OST remake of the original game's OST is great but...have to say the song that got my attention the most from what I played is an original song that appeared in Remake/Remake Intergrade and its this
I listened to this track on repeat on my drive back from work to home lol (45 min).
Soo damn good.
Kyuu said:
I did say in the long run. It's lagging behind PS4 in sales despite much weaker competition from Xbox. One quarter is nothing. For the price, PS5 is doing great, but PC is growing much faster. PC popularity is exploding in Asia and developing countries, and it's no doubt been stealing players from consoles. Normally, people would argue a weaker competition from Xbox would feed more into Playstation because it's the "direct competitor", but evidence suggests that a lot of them are switching to PC instead. Consoles have an aging population which is problematic for growth. PC is now the cool device among teenagers, and Nintendo consoles dominate the younger demographic. While Playstation just keeps finding ways to make their consoles look optional and uncool. Over time, more and more gamers will ask themselves "why am I buying this?" It won't be as bad as Xbox mind you, but Playstation is not immune to the multiplatform strategy, so Sony has to be extra careful. If Sony moves further towards being a 3rd party publisher, they will lose more players than they gain, and the PS6 might decline considerably in sales despite Xbox's disappearance. It happened in the handheld space 2 generations ago (DS/PSP vs 3DS/Vita) and it can happen again with traditional home consoles. |
Let's not forget the higher price and the fact that it was supply-constrained for like 2 years because of Covid. It's an apple to pears situation. if PS4 had to release under a pandemic it could've had problems with supply too and thus have impacted sales. And we're seeing Dualsense and PS Portal being consistent sellers throughout the year.
Right now all boats are rising except for Xbox.
Of course, it's a situation Sony needs to examine carefully. Right now, rumours point to a variety of ways Sony looks to continue remaining a relevant player: the use of PSSR to avoid higher specs, a handheld release to re-enter that space.
I do think it's important that they get their game development pipeline under control after the last few years, which have been bumpy for sure. If they can correct that, which perhaps they will have with this year onwards, then at least they'll have consistent high quality games releasing, which is what they need to keep their console selling, among many other factors.
twintail said:
Let's not forget the higher price and the fact that it was supply-constrained for like 2 years because of Covid. It's an apple to pears situation. if PS4 had to release under a pandemic it could've had problems with supply too and thus have impacted sales. And we're seeing Dualsense and PS Portal being consistent sellers throughout the year. Right now all boats are rising except for Xbox. Of course, it's a situation Sony needs to examine carefully. Right now, rumours point to a variety of ways Sony looks to continue remaining a relevant player: the use of PSSR to avoid higher specs, a handheld release to re-enter that space. I do think it's important that they get their game development pipeline under control after the last few years, which have been bumpy for sure. If they can correct that, which perhaps they will have with this year onwards, then at least they'll have consistent high quality games releasing, which is what they need to keep their console selling, among many other factors. |
Yes Sony can stay strong so long as they recognize the value of exclusives, not against Xbox alone, but also against PC and Nintendo consoles. "Indirect competition" is less indirect than ever before, so if they don't rethink their multiplatform strategy and especially PC support, they will lose more players and the word of mouth will be unkind. Playstation, the once king of exclusives, is being memed on as the next "no games" console. I think if nothing is done about this, it'll definitely translate to weaker sales at some point.
Lower prices and handheld versions of their consoles would help for sure, but it's easy to "want" cheap things. The question is: can Sony make PS consoles cheap while remaining profitable and powerful enough? Hardware-wise, PS5 was a bargain early in the generation, but it's quite expensive now relative to past trends and what console gamers are used to.
I feel that Sony needs to return to at least "4+ year long exclusivity", make handhelds (PlaystationDeck), sell hardware at bigger losses, and commit. Otherwise they will accelerate losing market share to PC and Nintendo. Nintendo refuses to put their games on other systems for a reason... they know it's a recepie for disaster.
Unlike MS (a gaming software powerhouse), Sony can't afford to weaken Playstation. If they keep prices high and trivialize PC and Switch as non-threats, they're in for a rude awakening.
Kyuu said:
I did say in the long run. It's lagging behind PS4 in sales despite much weaker competition from Xbox. One quarter is nothing. For the price, PS5 is doing great, but PC is growing much faster. PC popularity is exploding in Asia and developing countries, and it's no doubt been stealing players from consoles. Normally, people would argue a weaker competition from Xbox would feed more into Playstation because it's the "direct competitor", but evidence suggests that a lot of them are switching to PC instead. Consoles have an aging population which is problematic for growth. PC is now the cool device among teenagers, and Nintendo consoles dominate the younger demographic. While Playstation just keeps finding ways to make their consoles look optional and uncool. Over time, more and more gamers will ask themselves "why am I buying this?" It won't be as bad as Xbox mind you, but Playstation is not immune to the multiplatform strategy, so Sony has to be extra careful. If Sony moves further towards being a 3rd party publisher, they will lose more players than they gain, and the PS6 might decline considerably in sales despite Xbox's disappearance. It happened in the handheld space 2 generations ago (DS/PSP vs 3DS/Vita) and it can happen again with traditional home consoles. |
It is lagging in sales because the price is too high for a 5 year console and the price is high because the economy is fucked thanks to the pandemic. I'm not going to argue against the growth of pc but timing is everything and this generation started in the worst moment possible and yet it's only a couple millions behind.
What I would argue against is the argument of PlayStation finding ways to make their console look "optional and uncool". Two years ago there was a quite fun interview with two brothers who were top prospects for the NBA draft, asking what would be the hardest about stop living together one of the brothers answered that they played a game for the custody of the PS5 and he lost, "It feels like a break up". It's true that we live in a world were kids want a pc but it isn't because they want to play on pc, it's because they live under this stupid illusion that they can be streamers so they don't need to study, they don't need to work. What streamers are doing is manufacturing a generation of lazy mofos lol but that is a conversation for another place. The point is that there is a lot of young people who live under the laws of "being cool, being alpha" that like and buy PlayStation, they don't care about the nostalgia people who don't even like PlayStation have in mind when they talk about PlayStation. If we talk about optional or not, Sony has worked hard to build alliances with companies and event organizers, today if you want to play fighting games professionally, if you want to play madden professionally, if you want to play fifa professionally. if you want to play GT professionally, getting a PS5 isn't optional.
The huge presence of PC in Asia has always been a thing, it wasn't as big in Japan but outside Japan it has been a thing for more than a decade, that's why in games like DOTA2 before the mobile age started (yes pc can be fucked too lol, in this case mobile fucked them in a lot of countries) the best players were from Asia. Sony knows it and still they have invested in Asia more in the last couples year than in the ps4 generation and it's working. Since the banning of consoles in China PC has been their way to play videogames, literally there is no logic to think anyone can beat PC over there yet Sony has done a great job to form a playerbase and good will with alliances, a lot of presence, offering the PS platform to developers of all sizes and they cashed last year when Wukong basically was a console seller in China and the PS5 were gone from the stores.
I wouldn't compare the situation with what happened between de PSPvsDS and the Vitavs3DS either. The PSP sold a lot because it was the most affordable MP3 in the market, not because it was a good console (it was an excellent console) and the VITA lost because there was no reason to buy one just like the PSVR2 lol. PS biggest games are on pc since 2020, you just need to wait 2 years but outside that there is "no reason" to get a ps5 then why it has sold this much? Because contrary to what many people think Sony actually knows what they are doing with their console. If that move didn't kill the console it would be a little of an exaggeration to think small games like Everyone's Golf in other systems is going to kill it. Freedom Wars remastered didn't sell a lot, EG doesn't look like a best seller, Pataton is actually the biggest opportunity for both Bandai and Sony, let's see how well it sells.
Personally I hope Patapon sells a lot because if it hits nothing stops Sony from making Patapon 4, this isn't a Sunset Overdrive situation after all.
GymratAmarillo said: The PSP sold a lot because it was the most affordable MP3 in the market, not because it was a good console (it was an excellent console) |
Who told you that bullshit?
In 2004, there were already MP3 players with 1 GB available for €140 (taxes included).
https://www.computerbase.de/news/audio-video-foto/1-gb-mp3-player-fuer-139-euro.11733/
The PSP Value Pack costed almost twice as much and only came with a (proprietary) 32 MB Memory Stick Duo (0.03 GB, only enough space for a dozen MP3 songs).
The Memory Stick Duo cards with higher capacity were quite expensive.