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Zkuq said:
Runa216 said:

I don't get it. Even if you LIKE his policies and for some reason are deluded enough to believe he's good at business, how can anyone want someone so insecure and childish in such a position of power? How can anyone trust someone so prone to tantrums?

'Because it serves them right' is the only excuse I can come up with off the top of my head, which is, of course, a terrible excuse. Also, they probably don't see it as insecurity but as confidence instead.

You're right on both counts. A large section of the United States holds a deep seated resentment towards all 8.5 bllion other people in the world, including 150m of their fellow Americans. It's like they resent sharing THEIR planet with all of these "foreigners." And they see Trump's childishness as confidence and power. 

In their mind, Canada leeches off of the U.S. military (never mind that Canada provides the U.S. military with early warning of any activities Russia might engage in) and won't buy U.S. goods, so Canada deserves to either be annexed by the U.S., taken over by China, Russia (and India is increasingly becoming a boogey-man as well), or they deserve to have their country subverted by the U.S.'s support of Alberta separatists.

It's basically a cultural version of main-character syndrome.

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SanAndreasX said:
Zkuq said:

'Because it serves them right' is the only excuse I can come up with off the top of my head, which is, of course, a terrible excuse. Also, they probably don't see it as insecurity but as confidence instead.

You're right on both counts. A large section of the United States holds a deep seated resentment towards all 8.5 bllion other people in the world, including 150m of their fellow Americans. It's like they resent sharing THEIR planet with all of these "foreigners." And they see Trump's childishness as confidence and power. 

In their mind, Canada leeches off of the U.S. military (never mind that Canada provides the U.S. military with early warning of any activities Russia might engage in) and won't buy U.S. goods, so Canada deserves to either be annexed by the U.S., taken over by China, Russia (and India is increasingly becoming a boogey-man as well), or they deserve to have their country subverted by the U.S.'s support of Alberta separatists.

It's basically a cultural version of main-character syndrome.

Which is very widespread in the US, just spend some time on Youtube and you'll get inundated by such videos.

Worst of all, those who think of other people as leeches tend to be THE leeches.





So the 'allies' will be hurt the most while the one he hated the most like horrible Canada will win the most...






SanAndreasX said:
Zkuq said:

'Because it serves them right' is the only excuse I can come up with off the top of my head, which is, of course, a terrible excuse. Also, they probably don't see it as insecurity but as confidence instead.

You're right on both counts. A large section of the United States holds a deep seated resentment towards all 8.5 bllion other people in the world, including 150m of their fellow Americans. It's like they resent sharing THEIR planet with all of these "foreigners." And they see Trump's childishness as confidence and power. 

In their mind, Canada leeches off of the U.S. military (never mind that Canada provides the U.S. military with early warning of any activities Russia might engage in) and won't buy U.S. goods, so Canada deserves to either be annexed by the U.S., taken over by China, Russia (and India is increasingly becoming a boogey-man as well), or they deserve to have their country subverted by the U.S.'s support of Alberta separatists.

It's basically a cultural version of main-character syndrome.

I highly doubt it's anywhere near 150 million, more like a vocal 5 or so million. Plenty of Trump's voters are long standing Republican voters that would have voted for whoever the republican candidate is.



SanAndreasX said:
Zkuq said:

'Because it serves them right' is the only excuse I can come up with off the top of my head, which is, of course, a terrible excuse. Also, they probably don't see it as insecurity but as confidence instead.

You're right on both counts. A large section of the United States holds a deep seated resentment towards all 8.5 bllion other people in the world, including 150m of their fellow Americans. It's like they resent sharing THEIR planet with all of these "foreigners." And they see Trump's childishness as confidence and power. 

In their mind, Canada leeches off of the U.S. military (never mind that Canada provides the U.S. military with early warning of any activities Russia might engage in) and won't buy U.S. goods, so Canada deserves to either be annexed by the U.S., taken over by China, Russia (and India is increasingly becoming a boogey-man as well), or they deserve to have their country subverted by the U.S.'s support of Alberta separatists.

It's basically a cultural version of main-character syndrome.

"a cultural version of main-character syndrome"
A succinct and diplomatic way of describing what Bonhoeffer and Cipolla describe as "stupidity".

Bonhoeffer was trying to explain the drive of the Nazis toward fanatical ignorance and cruelty... (of course) they executed him.

But the mechanics are the same, cultural main-character syndrome, and that (stupidity) drives their ignorance and cult-like belief in Nazi propaganda, and that critical thought was undesirable because it lead to questioning of the "cultural main character" narrative. And that somehow, being able to hurt people who disagree with them, and destroy things rationalize their beliefs, and that hurting others will somehow better their own circumstances; even though no one really gains from them behaving in such a way, and it in fact probably hurts everyone. Kind of like (on a more singular level) how a bully with poor grades knows they can beat up someone physically weaker than them with higher grades, and therefore they are right... even though beating up the weaker person will only result in pain and misery for one or both parties involved. Instead of harnessing their relationship to improve their own situation with their grades.

But on the cultural level, the result of stupidity is more like this: instead of people in the culture using critical thought to support policy that improves their situation, they support demagogues who aim to hurt other people (and perhaps wider than people: anti-environmental policy and attacking environmental advocates).



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.