By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
sc94597 said:
curl-6 said:

Whether achieved through hard power or soft power, cancel culture is cancel culture.

This is indeed government overreach and it's a bad thing. I still find it noteworthy though that a lot of those crying foul about cancel culture now were quite happy to do it to the rest of us for most of the last decade. (And vice versa, those who cried foul before seem to be quite happy now that it's happening on their terms)

Except when enforced by the point of a gun (that is what government does) it isn't simply "cancel culture" but authoritarian controls of speech. That is an entire different category of a thing. If the so-called "alt left" went to employers and put a gun to their head telling them to fire people, then that would be a more comparable situation. 

And no, my solution to "cancel culture" has always been that workers should have more rights. The only reason cancel culture works so well here in the U.S is because of at-will employment where you can be fired for any reason (barring being part of a protected class.) If there were real contracts, then employers and unions would investigate more before deciding to let an employee go, because it can be costly to let them go. 

I mean let's not pretend the alt left didn't make companies fire people by threatening to ruin their business, or coerced people to conform or be bullied off the internet, doxed, ostracized by family and friends, given death threats, etc.

Agreed on worker's rights.



Around the Network
Bofferbrauer2 said:
sc94597 said:

In the context of the United States (this thread is called "US Politics") there has never been an "alt left" in control of the branches of the federal government. The most left-wing governments we ever had in the U.S were social liberal governments, which are at best center-left, and some would argue right down the center. Basically that describes the period of 1932-1953; 1961 - 1969; and maybe if we stretch it far back -- 1861-1875. 

In almost every other period, the U.S has had divided government, centrist governments, or right-wing governments. 

To give more international context, what in the US is considered "far left" would be something in Europe the Christian Social parties or other Center-Right parties would do. Here in Luxembourg, the Cristian Social People's Party was originally called Rietspartei, meaning Party of the Right...

I wouldn't go that far. I think Sanders (if he were in a European context) would probably be anywhere from the left-wing of the mainstream Social Democratic or Green parties to a common member of the explicitly Democratic Socialist ones like Die Linke. 

The political party he once headed, was pretty much a New-Left revamping of the various Orthodox marxist parties of the early 20th century. This was their logo. 

That's pretty much what is considered "far left" here in the U.S (by non-MAGA, I should qualify.) The actual far-left of course are communists, syndicalists, and anarchists. 



curl-6 said:

I mean let's not pretend the alt left didn't make companies fire people by threatening to ruin their business, or coerced people to conform or be bullied off the internet, doxed, ostracized by family and friends, given death threats, etc.

Again there is a clear difference between threatening to disassociate from a business by not purchasing from it and telling other people to not purchase from it and threatening to use legal and/or physical force against somebody. If that isn't clear, I don't think we're going to agree on this subject.

The company Target's revenue plummeting because black people have stopped shopping there because of their new policies on DEI is not the same thing as Trump (or one of his sycophants) specifically telling the FCC to target Jimmy Kimmel or otherwise it will face a legal battle and lose its license to do business. Black people have a right to shop wherever they want for whichever reasons they want, and to tell people whether or not they should shop there according to shared values. Trump doesn't have a right to target specific institutions and individuals to only speak what he wishes them to speak and nothing else using the force of the commonwealth.



sc94597 said:
curl-6 said:

I mean let's not pretend the alt left didn't make companies fire people by threatening to ruin their business, or coerced people to conform or be bullied off the internet, doxed, ostracized by family and friends, given death threats, etc.

Again there is a clear difference between threatening to disassociate from a business by not purchasing from it and telling other people to not purchase from it and threatening to use legal and/or physical force against somebody. If that isn't clear, I don't think we're going to agree on this subject.

The company Target's revenue plummeting because black people have stopped shopping there because of their new policies on DEI is not the same thing as Trump (or one of his sycophants) specifically telling the FCC to target Jimmy Kimmel or otherwise it will face a legal battle and lose its license to do business. Black people have a right to shop wherever they want for whichever reasons they want, and to tell people whether or not they should shop their according to shared values. Trump doesn't have a right to target specific institutions and individuals to only speak what he wishes them to speak and nothing else. 

I think we're actually in agreement as far as this being troubling government overreach, but yeah I think we're just gonna have to disagree on the rest.



curl-6 said:

I agree that this is a troubling development and that it poses serious risks.

The alt left also used government power to enforce their ideology though; there are countries where you can be sent to jail for sharing a meme or saying something they deem politically inincorrect.

Care to provide an example of such country or a situation where someone got jailed for what you described? If you're referring to hate speech laws in European countries those have little to nothing to do with alt left.

I also think your comparison of online SJW-mob and what is happening today is silly. Sure sometimes they went over the top looking for things to be upset about, but mostly it was for a good cause of rooting out bigotry, sexual harrasment, discrimination etc. 



Around the Network
KiigelHeart said:
curl-6 said:

I agree that this is a troubling development and that it poses serious risks.

The alt left also used government power to enforce their ideology though; there are countries where you can be sent to jail for sharing a meme or saying something they deem politically inincorrect.

Care to provide an example of such country or a situation where someone got jailed for what you described? If you're referring to hate speech laws in European countries those have little to nothing to do with alt left.

I also think your comparison of online SJW-mob and what is happening today is silly. Sure sometimes they went over the top looking for things to be upset about, but mostly it was for a good cause of rooting out bigotry, sexual harrasment, discrimination etc. 

As it's the US thread I don't want to derail, but it does happen:

https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-struggle-30-arrests-a-day-censorship/



badskywalker said:

For those who are trying to paint either side as the only perpetrators of political violence, can we stop for a minute and just accept the fact that it is both.

Oct 8, 2020 - Gretchen Whitmer Kidnapping Plot
Jan 6, 2021 - Trump Supporters storm the Capitol
Oct 28, 2022 — San Francisco, California — Attack on Paul Pelosi
July 13, 2024 — Butler, Pennsylvania — Shooting at Donald Trump campaign rally
Sept 15, 2024 — West Palm Beach, Florida — Attempted assassination at Trump golf course
April 13, 2025 — Harrisburg, Pennsylvania — Arson attack at Governor Josh Shapiro’s official residence
June 14, 2025 — Minnesota (Brooklyn Park & Champlin) — Shootings of state legislators and spouses
Sept 10, 2025 — Orem / Utah Valley University, Utah — Assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk

To point the finger at one particular side is foolish. If anyone wants to defend any of these incidents, please unveil yourself as a hyprocite.

Shaunodon said:
RolStoppable said:

It looks like your list contains seven cases of Republican-associated culprits while only the most recent one would be categorized as Other as of now due to the culprit being apolitical and his motive being very personal, heavily focused on Kirk's hatred for gay and trans people. At first I thought you are being sarcastic because of this breakdown.

I don't think there's anything wrong with anyone speaking the truth that the facts show that political violence is more prevalent on the right side of the political spectrum. Of course, the facts also show that political violence can come from the left side.

I agree with your point that pointing the finger at one particular side is foolish; it's for this reason that the reaction of the Trump administration is so deplorable, because they intend to use Kirk's death as an excuse to strip American people of their rights. Granted, at least Pam Bondi had to backpedal already. The finger-pointing is also the reason why the dedicated thread about Kirk's death got locked, especially because at that time nothing about the killer was known yet.

You all lie like you breath. It's instinctual, second-nature.

Before I came in a couple days ago and posted about the FBI investigating a literal domestic terrorist cell with links to the shooter, no one came to throw accusations about him being radical left-wing or anything about trans people.

Even though the evidence I posted was about a militant Queer group full of trans people, I never even commented on it specifically or make a connection to a trend of trans violence.

You all projected this wild behaviour on everyone else, created this myth about Conservatives or right-wing extremists wanting to spread trans hate.

The only hate being spread is by you. There is no integrity or credibility left in this thread.

Anyone who may casually come across here, I strongly recommend not scrolling through those pages of posts. The amount of evil and harm it will do to your mental health isn't worth it.

This place is a complete lost cause.

Only right wing perps except for the most recent, which is just a random crazy person... Never would've guessed that viewpoint from that side...

My 'hypocritical' defense is the Whitmer Kidnapping Plot, since it was cooked up and pushed by the far right wing group known as the FBI.

 The FBI-tainted Whitmer 'kidnap plot' you've heard nothing about | The Highland County Press



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

curl-6 said:

As it's the US thread I don't want to derail, but it does happen:

https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-struggle-30-arrests-a-day-censorship/

The article suggests that those people got arrested for no good reason when there actually are laws in UK for hate speech from long before social media even existed. Also, there is no statistic that would back up the claim of 30 persons a day being arrested. The New York Post pulled than one right out of their asses. Plus in most cases people don't actually get jailed, especially not for just some random comment on social media. The only cases in which people got sentenced because of hate speech in UK were cases where people posted such stuff over longer periods of time and in huge numbers. 

The article is misleading, to say the least. Which is unsurprising coming from the New York Post. 



唯一無二のRolStoppableに認められた、VGCの任天堂ファミリーの正式メンバーです。光栄に思います。

curl-6 said:
KiigelHeart said:

Care to provide an example of such country or a situation where someone got jailed for what you described? If you're referring to hate speech laws in European countries those have little to nothing to do with alt left.

I also think your comparison of online SJW-mob and what is happening today is silly. Sure sometimes they went over the top looking for things to be upset about, but mostly it was for a good cause of rooting out bigotry, sexual harrasment, discrimination etc. 

As it's the US thread I don't want to derail, but it does happen:

https://nypost.com/2025/08/19/world-news/uk-free-speech-struggle-30-arrests-a-day-censorship/

Here in Canada the Libs put hate speech on the books and now people get arrested and charged for it. Don't believe anyone's gone to jail just yet, but it's only a matter of time if they haven't.

If the SJW's were rooting out bad stuff, they did a terrible job since it seems like they think it's worse than ever. That's because rooting out bad stuff as per their view was far secondary to attacking the right, contributing to taking back power, and continuing an ongoing agenda.

The right is doing the same thing but more so as self defense and a lesson at the same time. The right is hoping the left will realize that an eye for an eye and the West goes blind, will be enough to get them to choose 'imperfect sighted peace' instead of 'pissing into the wind blindness'.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

sundin13 said:

Seems like Kimmel has now been cancelled.

He made comments about Charlie Kirk, the FCC threatened legal action (including the revoking of broadcast licenses) so a broadcasting company which is currently seeking approval for a merger pulled the show, prompting ABC to cancel it.

Free speech is dead.

Kimmel can always do something on social media or the online video platforms if he wishes. Maybe he should sign a deal with Rumble for a show.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.