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SvennoJ said:

Dramatic drop in US public’s approval of Israel’s war on Gaza: New poll

https://apnews.com/article/israel-military-gaza-netanyahu-trump-poll-dc79937460ed55e9a020acba652eba4b

A new poll from the research firm Gallup suggests that only 32 percent of Americans approve of Israel’s military action in Gaza, a 10-point drop from September 2024, as anger over atrocities against Palestinians continues to rise.

The survey, released on Tuesday, also showed an enormous partisan divide over the issue.

Seventy-one percent of respondents who identified as members of the Republican Party said they approve of Israel’s conduct, compared with 8 percent of Democrats.

Overall, 60 percent of respondents said they disapprove of Israel’s military action in Gaza.

That's more a reflection of the media than Republicans being 'evil'. Also a reflection on how well the Israeli propaganda still works. 32% still approve of mass starvation, or rather believe it's a hoax or it's Hamas starving the population.

This was predicted a year ago, sped up now by the total blockade since March 2nd a week before Israel broke the ceasefire.

They can move elsewhere.  Israel should pay for the buses to cart them away if things are so bad that it's like a concentration camp or something.  But this would never work, because they want to stay there, and be angry because they are kept out of control.  If they don't like that, then they should leave.



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shavenferret said:

They can move elsewhere.  Israel should pay for the buses to cart them away if things are so bad that it's like a concentration camp or something.  But this would never work, because they want to stay there, and be angry because they are kept out of control.  If they don't like that, then they should leave.

Actually half want to leave, they are not allowed out and no country is willing to take in a million refugees. 
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/almost-half-gazans-willing-leave-survey-finds-2025-05-06/

Besides that, it's their land. Do you tell Ukrainians they should leave?

It's not like a concentration camp, it's a genocide / holodomor. Bombing starving people locked into 18% of a 141 sq mile area or 25 sq miles.



SvennoJ said:
shavenferret said:

They can move elsewhere.  Israel should pay for the buses to cart them away if things are so bad that it's like a concentration camp or something.  But this would never work, because they want to stay there, and be angry because they are kept out of control.  If they don't like that, then they should leave.

Actually half want to leave, they are not allowed out and no country is willing to take in a million refugees. 
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/almost-half-gazans-willing-leave-survey-finds-2025-05-06/

Besides that, it's their land. Do you tell Ukrainians they should leave?

It's not like a concentration camp, it's a genocide / holodomor. Bombing starving people locked into 18% of a 141 sq mile area or 25 sq miles.

It was the Hebrew people's land before it was the people that the palestenians came from.  Secondly, Israel is trying to get other countries to accept them according to your link.  T hey aren't just being mean stern jews that won't let them leave, that's just not true Svenno.  Like you said, the issue is that other nations won't accept them, mostly because how many of them are terrorists and such.  If they were wealthy and smart like the israeli's then as well as not problematic (many know how to blow people up or use an AK-47), other nations might want them.  But having a mass of the poor, and unwashed isn't something you want to bring to your country so i get it, however unfortunate this may be.

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SanAndreasX said:
Machiavellian said:

The more unhinged Trump gets with the Epstein situation the closure she gets to freedom.  Right now they are looking for a way to sell it.  If the Obama story does not get the heat off of Trump, she is pretty much going to walk.

I will make one correction here. They did drop the two perjury charges against her after they secured a conviction on the sex-trafficking charges, so she wasn't actually convicted. But the whole case is so politically tainted at this point that nothing she says can be trusted. They'd be better to leave her in prison to serve out her sentence and pursue other avenues of investigation into Epstein's affairs, rather than letting this sex-trafficking scumbag walk free. She wants immunity so she can basically lie her way out of prison and not face prosecution for it. 

I totally agree, letting her walk would probably be one of the biggest mistake this administration could make but I also feel that they believe they can do no wrong.  This is Trump last term and he has been very successful in pretty much getting his base to go along and get into line with anything he wants so usually that type of hubris breeds overconfidence.  This administration believe they can set the narrative however they feel so the chance is still up their they go with that plan.  

Just think about it, she could name Bill Clinton and some other top Dems or Trump hate list and that would serve a lot for his base that already believe the list contains nothing but Dems on it to begin with.  You only need to give them enough meat to satisfy their craving at least that is what I believe this administration believes.



shavenferret said:

They can move elsewhere.  Israel should pay for the buses to cart them away if things are so bad that it's like a concentration camp or something.  But this would never work, because they want to stay there, and be angry because they are kept out of control.  If they don't like that, then they should leave.

Yeah, because other countries tend to be so welcoming to literally millions of immigrants. 

And unfortunately the people that tend to get hurt the worst, tend to be the ones with the least ability to move. 

shavenferret said:

It was the Hebrew people's land before it was the people that the palestenians came from.  Secondly, Israel is trying to get other countries to accept them according to your link.  T hey aren't just being mean stern jews that won't let them leave, that's just not true Svenno.  Like you said, the issue is that other nations won't accept them, mostly because how many of them are terrorists and such.  If they were wealthy and smart like the israeli's then as well as not problematic (many know how to blow people up or use an AK-47), other nations might want them.  But having a mass of the poor, and unwashed isn't something you want to bring to your country so i get it, however unfortunate this may be.

1 - a lot of the Jewish people left, either forcibly, or on their own choice centuries prior. Like 1500 years prior. 

2 - that was also how Nazi Germany operated. They were trying to push other countries to take the Jewish people first. That was their first plan, before not enough countries would take them. So calling what is literally the Nazi playbook "not just being mean stern Jews" is problematic to say the least.  



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shavenferret said:
SvennoJ said:

Actually half want to leave, they are not allowed out and no country is willing to take in a million refugees. 
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/almost-half-gazans-willing-leave-survey-finds-2025-05-06/

Besides that, it's their land. Do you tell Ukrainians they should leave?

It's not like a concentration camp, it's a genocide / holodomor. Bombing starving people locked into 18% of a 141 sq mile area or 25 sq miles.

It was the Hebrew people's land before it was the people that the palestenians came from.  Secondly, Israel is trying to get other countries to accept them according to your link.  T hey aren't just being mean stern jews that won't let them leave, that's just not true Svenno.  Like you said, the issue is that other nations won't accept them, mostly because how many of them are terrorists and such.  If they were wealthy and smart like the israeli's then as well as not problematic (many know how to blow people up or use an AK-47), other nations might want them.  But having a mass of the poor, and unwashed isn't something you want to bring to your country so i get it, however unfortunate this may be.

Fuck off, you are victim blaming.

You: if they don’t want to starve, they can just leave!

Svenno: no country will take millions of refugees

You: that’s because they aren’t wealthy or smart!

And yes, it was Hebrew’s land way back when……that’s not justification for murdering & starving millions of people. It’s possible to support Israel’s right to exist and right to fight against Hamas without being a piece of shit and supporting genocide.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

the-pi-guy said:
shavenferret said:

They can move elsewhere.  Israel should pay for the buses to cart them away if things are so bad that it's like a concentration camp or something.  But this would never work, because they want to stay there, and be angry because they are kept out of control.  If they don't like that, then they should leave.

Yeah, because other countries tend to be so welcoming to literally millions of immigrants. 

And unfortunately the people that tend to get hurt the worst, tend to be the ones with the least ability to move. 

shavenferret said:

It was the Hebrew people's land before it was the people that the palestenians came from.  Secondly, Israel is trying to get other countries to accept them according to your link.  T hey aren't just being mean stern jews that won't let them leave, that's just not true Svenno.  Like you said, the issue is that other nations won't accept them, mostly because how many of them are terrorists and such.  If they were wealthy and smart like the israeli's then as well as not problematic (many know how to blow people up or use an AK-47), other nations might want them.  But having a mass of the poor, and unwashed isn't something you want to bring to your country so i get it, however unfortunate this may be.

1 - a lot of the Jewish people left, either forcibly, or on their own choice centuries prior. Like 1500 years prior. 

2 - that was also how Nazi Germany operated. They were trying to push other countries to take the Jewish people first. That was their first plan, before not enough countries would take them. So calling what is literally the Nazi playbook "not just being mean stern Jews" is problematic to say the least.  

It's their ancestral homeland and the hevrews and jews have every right to be there. The Palestinians can live there but they will live under the Hebrews. This has to be the wah it is because of all of the violence and so forth. Finally, your point about the nazis is a bunch of hogwash, and actually what you call a fallacy. 

Because X does this, if Y also does that then that is evil of Y. No, you have to examine each action and it's quite ironic to compare Israelis to nazis. 



shavenferret said:

It was the Hebrew people's land before it was the people that the palestenians came from.  

Israeli Jews, Christian Palestinians, and Muslim Palestinians all have overwhelmingly significant prehistoric Levant ancestry. All three groups descend from Canaanites. All three groups even descend (in part) from historic Jewish populations.

Muslim Palestinians are slightly Arab-shifted and Ashkenazi Jews/Sephardic Jews are moderately European-shifted, but the bulk of the ancestry of both groups (and Christian Palestinians) is indigenous, prehistoric Levant ancestry. 

It really doesn't make sense to talk about "more indigenous" when both groups have strong ancestral ties to the Southern Levant. 

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shavenferret said:

Finally, your point about the nazis is a bunch of hogwash, and actually what you call a fallacy. 

Because X does this, if Y also does that then that is evil of Y. No, you have to examine each action and it's quite ironic to compare Israelis to nazis. 

The violence, starvation that Israel is pushing on Gaza is by definition genocide. 

It really isn't ironic, unless you think somehow people can't give back. 

Do you think someone who was bullied growing up, couldn't possibly become a bully themselves?

Do you think a black person owning a white person wouldn't be slavery?


You think it's somehow impossible for Jewish people to commit genocide? 



the-pi-guy said:
shavenferret said:

Finally, your point about the nazis is a bunch of hogwash, and actually what you call a fallacy. 

Because X does this, if Y also does that then that is evil of Y. No, you have to examine each action and it's quite ironic to compare Israelis to nazis. 

The violence, starvation that Israel is pushing on Gaza is by definition genocide. 

It really isn't ironic, unless you think somehow people can't give back. 

Do you think someone who was bullied growing up, couldn't possibly become a bully themselves?

Do you think a black person owning a white person wouldn't be slavery?


You think it's somehow impossible for Jewish people to commit genocide? 

I was about to say pretty much the same thing in that history does seem to be repeating itself when the victim becomes powerful, they find themselves reflecting he same traits as the people who oppressed them.