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US begins assisted departure flights for Americans in Israel

The US has started evacuating assisted departure flights from Israel to repatriate Americans wishing to leave amid the conflict with Iran, the US ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, says.

He urged US citizens and lawful permanent residents in Israel and the West Bank, who wanted help from the government to return home, to complete a form on a government website.

The US is also using cruise ships to evacuate its citizens.


‘It’s a scary time to be here right now’: Americans stuck in Israel are desperate to get out

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/21/middleeast/americans-israel-desperate-get-out-intl-latam

Mamon said they’ve lived in Israel before and experienced having to shelter, “but this time is different.” “The bombs are bigger, the noises are extremely high … you hear bombs everywhere,” he added.

Dozens of Americans who have been trying to leave Israel gathered at a hotel in central Israel on Saturday, where US embassy consular staff began processing their departures.

According to US State Department spokesperson Tammy Bruce, more than 25,000 people have sought information from the State Department about the “situation in Israel, the West Bank and Iran.” There are about 700,000 Americans living in Israel, according to Huckabee.

Import the war criminals back home...



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Yemen’s Houthis say they will target US ships if Washington strikes Iran

Yemen’s Houthi rebels will target US ships in the Red Sea if Washington gets involved in Israel’s attacks on Iran, the group’s military spokesperson says.

Yemeni state media reported the statement, which the spokesperson said reaffirmed the group’s firm stance against “Zionist aggression” directed at any Arab or Islamic country.


Could movement of American B-2 bombers signal a US attack is on the way?

I’ve been speaking to an expert about the recent movements of US assets, and what they could potentially signal. As we reported earlier, two B-2 stealth bombers have moved from their base in Missouri. We understand these have refuelled in Hawaii before moving on.

They could go to Guam and base themselves there, and that would still put them within reach of Iran by using refuelling planes they’ve brought with them. Or they could go to the base in Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, which takes them much closer to Iran and would make military and diplomatic sense.

These are the bombers that have the capability of carrying the 30,000-pound [about 13,607-kg] bombs, the bunker buster bomb that would potentially be used to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities. So there are a couple of scenarios that this expert has described to me in terms of how this could play out.

One is that they base themselves there in Diego Garcia, which wouldn’t be unusual, just to add that little bit of threat. The reason they would pick Diego Garcia is that Arab countries wouldn’t want any attack to be launched from their country because that would drag them into the war. Alternatively, given that these bombers are travelling with refuelling tankers, there’s also the possibility, albeit a very small one, that this could be the start of the US attack on Iran.

Add to this the fact that Donald Trump has cut short a golfing trip to return to Washington for a National Security Council meeting tonight, and has another planned on Sunday. It could be that they’ll be reviewing plans and deciding what options they have. Or it could be, according to the expert I spoke with, that they will be following the attack, because it will take some time for the aircraft to get over Iran.

It’s clear when Trump says he will make a decision on whether to attack Iran within two weeks, that that’s the outer limit of when he will decide. It could be that the decision’s already been made. Perhaps we might get more clarity after the National Security Council meeting.



Wman1996 said:

A US War with Iran will make Iraq look like a tea party. And that was a war based on lies, and where over a million Iraqis may have died in additions to thousands of US service members.
Iran has a much bigger population with more powerful weapons and organization. The Bush administration was also more cunning in building up propaganda to Iraq. If the Trump regime strikes soon, they will have not spent the time or cunning to match the insidious propaganda effort from Bush and co.
In the likely event the US enters a hot war with Iran, I see Trump's approval rating hitting 35% and as low as about the 25% or so who will never abandon him no matter what. I do not see a rally around the flag effect occurring where war helps his poll numbers.

I'll preface this again with the fact that I am against War with Iran, but as far as consequences for the US go, what consequences could we actually expect if our offensive involvement doesn't go past firing missiles from hundreds of miles away? I don't think there is any scenario where US death toll is higher than the Iraq War, unless we put troops in Iran (which does not seem to be likely at this time). 

My expectations as someone who is not an expert in military engagements would be missiles directed at US bases and assets in the Middle East with a minor death toll (single digits to low double digits), an increased terror threat on American soil and an increased risk of the conflict escalating by the involvement of additional countries (which would certainly change the calculus). 

Does anyone have any information that would challenge these assumptions?



B-2 bombers have been shipped. Bombing will likely start this weekend (prolly today, maybe tomorrow). Iran War incoming.



Kremlin says Nyet! to any potential plans of assassinating the Iranian leader. The fact that putin is even worried about this tells me that Trump can think for himself to a degree, or without influence from various outside parties in other words.
https://kyivindependent.com/regime-change-in-iran-unacceptable-kremlin-says/



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the-pi-guy said:

Alarm as White House Says Trump Has Not Ruled Out Dropping Nuclear Weapon on Iran

"An unnamed Trump administration official told Fox News senior White House correspondent Jaqui Heinrich that "none of the options are off the table," denying a Guardian report that said the president was "not considering using a tactical nuclear weapon" on Iran's heavily entrenched Fordow nuclear site."

From "no wars/peace president" to "Hmhm, might drop a nuke" From "Sanctions are counterproductive on Russia because it will push them away from a deal" to "New sanctions on Iran" From "Ukraine is stealing from American taxpayers, we can't keep giving them handouts" to "Here Israel, take everything we have, 100s of millions in assistance, tens of millions spent defending your skies"

While Israel picks a fight with Iran, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon, etc.

SvennoJ said:

US director of national intelligence responds to Trump calling Iran assessment ‘wrong’

Lol, I'm not shocked at all Tulsi Gabbard the "centrist" turned out to be a spineless sack of shit, she is a complete hypocrite but hey, anything for power, she is like every other Republican who gets in line for their master and licks the boot, a shame that she didn't actually have any spine because I would have liked to see the drama, oh well, Trump might still can her eventually.

shavenferret said:

We may be dragged into a war over taiwan.... or Taiwan may just quietly give up and let China take over... all China has to do is give payme to to Chinese willing to move to Taiwan and flood the island with pro Chinese voters.... the Taiwanese birth rate is declining as well so that means it will be weaker in every way

https://farmingdale-observer.com/2025/06/20/after-japan-and-south-korea-its-now-taiwans-turn-the-country-is-losing-so-much-population-that-it-has-already-started-closing-schools/

Unless Taiwan changes their name to Israel then Trump isn't defending them, which low-key isn't a bad idea considering how stupid Trump is he genuinely might get confused, in all seriousness, I think China is smarter than Russia and will just play the long game of influence. Once America doesn't need Taiwan's semiconductors anymore they will drop them anyway. America doesn't help anyone unless it benefits them.

shavenferret said:

Kremlin says Nyet! to any potential plans of assassinating the Iranian leader. The fact that putin is even worried about this tells me that Trump can think for himself to a degree, or without influence from various outside parties in other words.
https://kyivindependent.com/regime-change-in-iran-unacceptable-kremlin-says/

Well they're both allies, Iran supports Russia in slaughtering thousands of innocent Ukrainians, Iran is just as much of a terrorist regime as Russia. What this tells me is that Trump is maybe not a Russian asset, but he is either a massive idiot, admires Putin too much (racism plays a part too) or he is utterly and completely terrified of Putin for some reason but he knows he can get away with fucking with Iran because ultimately Russia will talk big but won't do anything about Iran.

Or maybe this is all talk and Trump never attacks Iran.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 21 June 2025

shavenferret said:

Kremlin says Nyet! to any potential plans of assassinating the Iranian leader. The fact that putin is even worried about this tells me that Trump can think for himself to a degree, or without influence from various outside parties in other words.
https://kyivindependent.com/regime-change-in-iran-unacceptable-kremlin-says/

Err, it's Netanyahu telling Trump what to do. Trump has to choose between what Netanyahu wants and what Putin wants... America last.


Khamenei is already prepared. Assassination won't trigger regime change, it will trigger a regional war.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/iran-sheltering-in-a-bunker-ayatollah-ali-khamenei-names-successors/articleshow/121996972.cms?from=mdr



sundin13 said:
Wman1996 said:

A US War with Iran will make Iraq look like a tea party. And that was a war based on lies, and where over a million Iraqis may have died in additions to thousands of US service members.
Iran has a much bigger population with more powerful weapons and organization. The Bush administration was also more cunning in building up propaganda to Iraq. If the Trump regime strikes soon, they will have not spent the time or cunning to match the insidious propaganda effort from Bush and co.
In the likely event the US enters a hot war with Iran, I see Trump's approval rating hitting 35% and as low as about the 25% or so who will never abandon him no matter what. I do not see a rally around the flag effect occurring where war helps his poll numbers.

I'll preface this again with the fact that I am against War with Iran, but as far as consequences for the US go, what consequences could we actually expect if our offensive involvement doesn't go past firing missiles from hundreds of miles away? I don't think there is any scenario where US death toll is higher than the Iraq War, unless we put troops in Iran (which does not seem to be likely at this time). 

My expectations as someone who is not an expert in military engagements would be missiles directed at US bases and assets in the Middle East with a minor death toll (single digits to low double digits), an increased terror threat on American soil and an increased risk of the conflict escalating by the involvement of additional countries (which would certainly change the calculus). 

Does anyone have any information that would challenge these assumptions?

There's a lot of US bases within range of Iranian missiles and bombing campaigns are unlikely to result in regime change and instead backfire into uniting the populace against the bomber, especially when the bomber has a disregard for civilian collateral which America tends to have and Israel definitely has, which would be a real shame because Iranian populace right now hates the current regime but America and Israel could fuck all of that up and turn peoples hatred towards Israel and America instead of at the current regime.

"There are currently no indications that the central government in Tehran is losing control — quite the opposite. The Iranian regime appears to be tightening its grip," the three officials said. "Most Iranians are hostile to the regime and oppose it, but there is a sense of national solidarity at the moment. Right now, the people are focused on one thing: survival.

"When they see Israeli strikes causing casualties and destruction — even if the regime is unpopular — the immediate threat is seen as Israel. That's why people are rallying around the flag. I emphasize — not around the regime, but most of their anger is currently directed at Israel."

Israel's Strikes on Iran: No Signs of Regime Instability Since Operation | The Jerusalem Post

So what comes next if aerial bombing doesn't result in regime change? What comes next after Iran bombs the shit out of US military bases and kills American soldiers? US media will suddenly start beating the drums of war and saying "we need revenge for our American troops! Destroy Iran!" and that is when I fear American troops on the ground will happen.



Ryuu96 said:
sundin13 said:

I'll preface this again with the fact that I am against War with Iran, but as far as consequences for the US go, what consequences could we actually expect if our offensive involvement doesn't go past firing missiles from hundreds of miles away? I don't think there is any scenario where US death toll is higher than the Iraq War, unless we put troops in Iran (which does not seem to be likely at this time). 

My expectations as someone who is not an expert in military engagements would be missiles directed at US bases and assets in the Middle East with a minor death toll (single digits to low double digits), an increased terror threat on American soil and an increased risk of the conflict escalating by the involvement of additional countries (which would certainly change the calculus). 

Does anyone have any information that would challenge these assumptions?

There's a lot of US bases within range of Iranian missiles and bombing campaigns are unlikely to result in regime change and instead backfire into uniting the populace against the bomber, especially when the bomber has a disregard for civilian collateral which America tends to have and Israel definitely has, which would be a real shame because Iranian populace right now hates the current regime but America and Israel could fuck all of that up and turn peoples hatred towards Israel and America instead of at the current regime.

"There are currently no indications that the central government in Tehran is losing control — quite the opposite. The Iranian regime appears to be tightening its grip," the three officials said. "Most Iranians are hostile to the regime and oppose it, but there is a sense of national solidarity at the moment. Right now, the people are focused on one thing: survival.

"When they see Israeli strikes causing casualties and destruction — even if the regime is unpopular — the immediate threat is seen as Israel. That's why people are rallying around the flag. I emphasize — not around the regime, but most of their anger is currently directed at Israel."

Israel's Strikes on Iran: No Signs of Regime Instability Since Operation | The Jerusalem Post

So what comes next if aerial bombing doesn't result in regime change? What comes next after Iran bombs the shit out of US military bases and kills American soldiers? US media will suddenly start beating the drums of war and saying "we need revenge for our American troops! Destroy Iran!" and that is when I fear American troops on the ground will happen.

I agree with this general sentiment. More subtle long-term effects seem to be the most likely consequence of American missile deployment in Iran without much to show for it. While destroying their capabilities to build a nuke is a "win" in a sense, it's absurd that the prize for this whole war is something that Trump gave away in his first term...

However, I personally don't think that we are close to deploying troops to combat in Iran, nor do I think that the American media would support a war the same way they have in the past. I think Trump would get a lot of blowback for a decision to enter the war, which would only be amplified if troops lost their lives because of it.



sundin13 said:
Ryuu96 said:

There's a lot of US bases within range of Iranian missiles and bombing campaigns are unlikely to result in regime change and instead backfire into uniting the populace against the bomber, especially when the bomber has a disregard for civilian collateral which America tends to have and Israel definitely has, which would be a real shame because Iranian populace right now hates the current regime but America and Israel could fuck all of that up and turn peoples hatred towards Israel and America instead of at the current regime.

"There are currently no indications that the central government in Tehran is losing control — quite the opposite. The Iranian regime appears to be tightening its grip," the three officials said. "Most Iranians are hostile to the regime and oppose it, but there is a sense of national solidarity at the moment. Right now, the people are focused on one thing: survival.

"When they see Israeli strikes causing casualties and destruction — even if the regime is unpopular — the immediate threat is seen as Israel. That's why people are rallying around the flag. I emphasize — not around the regime, but most of their anger is currently directed at Israel."

Israel's Strikes on Iran: No Signs of Regime Instability Since Operation | The Jerusalem Post

So what comes next if aerial bombing doesn't result in regime change? What comes next after Iran bombs the shit out of US military bases and kills American soldiers? US media will suddenly start beating the drums of war and saying "we need revenge for our American troops! Destroy Iran!" and that is when I fear American troops on the ground will happen.

I agree with this general sentiment. More subtle long-term effects seem to be the most likely consequence of American missile deployment in Iran without much to show for it. While destroying their capabilities to build a nuke is a "win" in a sense, it's absurd that the prize for this whole war is something that Trump gave away in his first term...

However, I personally don't think that we are close to deploying troops to combat in Iran, nor do I think that the American media would support a war the same way they have in the past. I think Trump would get a lot of blowback for a decision to enter the war, which would only be amplified if troops lost their lives because of it.

I don't think you're close, yet, I'm just considering the domino effects of starting a bombing campaign against Iran. You have more faith in the media than me, Lol. I think they could easily spin it as "Iran was about to build a nuke and kill us all!" and fool Americans into thinking that it was the right thing to do (to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities) and thus Iran should accept it, but Iran had the nerve to fire back and kill American soldiers, something like that, but I hope I'm wrong and the American populace see through that.

If America really did bomb Iran's nuclear facilities then Iran doesn't have much reason to care about negotiations anymore, they'd have "nothing" left, so I could see them just going all out on war, the alternative (surrender) would likely result in the end of the regime. Would America be willing to spend years of bombing back and forth? They'd be unlikely at that stage to get regime change in Iran and stop the bombing of American bases in the Middle-East unless America actually invades Iran, otherwise regime change is extremely unlikely and the fight continues for years.

All this because a deal said "Obama" on it...Fucking Pathetic.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 21 June 2025