I never expected a permaban to begin with.

It isn't derailment to talk about the politics forum in a political thread. The actual reason why this discussion is coming to an end is because your suggestions go against the entire point of having a forum in the first place, and you know it.

Las Vegas police immediately arrest two livestreamers when one of them insults an officer after an anti-ICE protest ("honor your oath, bitch"). "You need to learn there's rules: don't run your mouth at me."

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— Adam Steinbaugh (@adamsteinbaugh.bsky.social) 13 June 2025 at 19:37

The other livestream:

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— Adam Steinbaugh (@adamsteinbaugh.bsky.social) 13 June 2025 at 19:45

The @lvmpd.com officers:
- Call one streamer "big mouth" as they tackle him (Video 2: 0:30)
- Say: "You need to learn there's rules: don't run your mouth at me. Now you're on your face" (1:03)
- Say: "Anything else you want to say? ... Sue away. Sue away. Now you got to jail." (2:28)

— Adam Steinbaugh (@adamsteinbaugh.bsky.social) 13 June 2025 at 20:07

The LVMPD had issued a dispersal order three hours earlier -- several blocks away. But even if that was supposed to apply to people who had already dispersed, it's very clear the officers had no interest in enforcing it -- until someone said something an officer did not like.

— Adam Steinbaugh (@adamsteinbaugh.bsky.social) 13 June 2025 at 20:09

As SCOTUS said in Houston v. Hill: The "freedom of individuals verbally to oppose or challenge police action without thereby risking arrest is one of the principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation from a police state."
www.thefire.org/supreme-cour...

— Adam Steinbaugh (@adamsteinbaugh.bsky.social) 13 June 2025 at 20:18

This is not just one officer losing his cool. There are too many officers in this video to count.

If this is how @lvmpd.com officers respond to protected speech, the department has serious problems.

— Adam Steinbaugh (@adamsteinbaugh.bsky.social) 13 June 2025 at 20:22

"Enjoying yourself? You have nothing better to do?" - Why the fuck are these cops so triggered at being recorded, JFC the dude didn't even say anything before that, all he did was record them and they pissed themselves, don't American cops have body cams anyway? The streamer was right, they're a bunch of bitches. Dude got mad triggered by being called a bitch and that's why he arrested the guy, Lmao. Sad.

I swear to fucking God, if I hear another Trump voter say “I didn’t vote for this”, I’m so done with this world. Ileana Garcia, founder of Cubans For Trump is the latest Trump voter saying “I didn’t vote for this”. Talking of course about the mass deportations, which he screamed from the rooftops he was going to do on day one. It’s like… bruh, I can’t. I’m almost at a complete loss for words that people are this stupid and shortsighted, but here we are. 

Needless to say, she gets no sympathy from me.

Oh, and of course she only let Twitter-verified accounts reply to her. Because she doesn’t want hordes of people telling her “bitch, yes you did vote for this”. Luckily that didn’t stop people from telling her straight to her face via the Reader Notes.

Bernie Sanders says US ‘must not be dragged into another Netanyahu war’

US Senator Bernie Sanders has noted that Israel’s strikes against Iran came just days before talks on the Iranian nuclear deal were expected to take place.

“The world is more dangerous and unstable as a result of the extremist Netanyahu’s government ongoing defiance of international law,” Sanders said in a statement.

“The US must make it clear that we will not be dragged into another Netanyahu war,” he added.

“Along with the international community, we should do everything possible to prevent an escalation of this conflict and bring the warring parties to the negotiating table.”

Netanyahu’s illegal unilateral attack on Iran risks a full-blown war.

These strikes directly undermine the U.S. diplomatic efforts to address Iran’s nuclear program. Talks were planned for Sunday, but Netanyahu chose to attack.

We must not be dragged into another Netanyahu war. pic.twitter.com/Xkwm9loNtZ

— Sen. Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) June 13, 2025

Trump appears to be pursuing ‘profoundly misguided strategy’

Thomas Countryman, a former US State Department official, says civilians will likely be the main victims of “Israel’s reckless military action” against Iran.

“The United States for 25 years has discouraged the Israeli government and especially Prime Minister Netanyahu from attacking Iran,” Countryman told Al Jazeera from Washington, DC.

“Five US presidents, including Trump in his first term, resisted the Israeli effort to have the United States military fight Israel’s conflict with Iran.”

But Countryman said it’s unclear if Trump discouraged Israel from launching its attacks this week, as the US president instead appears to be trying “to use the threat of further Israeli military attacks on Iran as negotiating leverage with Iran”.

“If that’s what he’s doing, it is a profoundly misguided strategy.”

He added that Netanyahu is hoping that Iran will target US forces in the Middle East, thereby dragging Washington into an “active support role for Israel’s attacks”.

US played role in defending Israel amid Iranian attacks: Sources

What we’re hearing from some of our sources here in Washington is that while the United States was not involved in direct strikes on Iran, we do understand now that there has been a role for the US in defending Israel.

Now, we know already that the military equipment that the Israelis use in their defence is paid for by US taxpayers to the tune of billions annually.

But now we know, in terms of positioning assets, as well as the existing assets of the US military in the region, that there has been at least some role played by the US military with regard to having the ability to defend Israel against some of these Iranian attacks.

According to what we’ve been hearing here in Washington, the US army has also employed the THAAD missile defence system again in an effort to try and defend Israel against the retaliatory attacks.

Netanyahu starts the wars, US ends up paying for them.


Protesters say ‘no war with Iran’ at New York rally




Iranian official says countries that try to defend Israel will become targets: Report

A US broadcaster has quoted an unnamed Iranian official as saying Iran will target the regional bases of countries that attempt to defend Israel.

“Iran reserves the right – under international law – to respond decisively to this regime,” the unnamed official told CNN.

“Any country that attempts to defend the regime against Iran’s operations will, in turn, see its regional bases and positions become new targets,” the official added.

Iran’s hardliners ‘have best case yet’ for weaponising nuclear programme

Mohsen Farshneshani, a lawyer and sanctions adviser at the US-based think tank DAWN, says nuclear talks between Tehran and Washington have failed because of a lack of trust between the parties.

Israel and its neoconservative allies “knew exactly how to exploit that” distrust, Farshneshani wrote in a post on X. “Years of US coercion taught Iran to doubt the sincerity of negotiations – and this latest episode only reaffirms that lesson,” he said.

Farshneshani added that US President Trump could have taken a different path by providing Iran with “proactive sanctions relief” to overcome the lack of trust in diplomacy.

Instead, Israel strikes, Trump gloats – and Iran’s hardliners now have their best case yet for weaponizing the nuclear program: that restraint invites aggression, and engagement with the United States offers no guarantees.”

As we’ve been reporting, US and Iranian delegations had been set to hold nuclear talks in Oman on Sunday, but the Iranian government withdrew from the negotiations in the aftermath of Israel’s attacks on the country.

In the end, US-Iran talks didn’t fail because diplomacy was flawed—they failed because distrust prevailed. And Israel and its neocon allies knew exactly how to exploit that.

Years of US coercion taught Iran to doubt the sincerity of negotiations—and this latest episode only…

— Mohsen, Esq. (@mFarshneshani) June 13, 2025

zei_squirrel on X has some pretty good takes on Bernie Sanders lol. Also, the idea of Netanyahu “dragging” the U.S. into war with Iran is absurd. This is the U.S. making use of their proxy. Simple as that.

Yeah it's more a mutual collaboration. 

Both the US and Israel need a bogeyman to justify their domestic policies. Iran is the current scapegoat.

North Korea is far more dangerous with nuclear weapons but Trump won't talk about that. Iran was on the path of moderation with their new PM and was looking more to get sanctions lifted than to pursue nuclear weapons. That's all changed now.

But that's exactly what Netanyahu and Trump want. Iran needs to stay scary, the reason to keep Israel well funded and US military presence in the Middle East. A moderate Iran can not be tolerated. See 1953 CIA overthrowing democracy in Iran.

Netanyahu is flat out saying he wants to change the regime to exactly the family the CIA helped to overthrow the democracy in 1953, Pahlavi.
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/reza-pahlavi-iran-overthrow-khameinei-israel-strikes-veyjhg4j

Which led to the Islamic revolution in 1979. Netanyahu and Trump are trying to repeat history.

Trump in ‘uncomfortable place’ as his ‘America First’ promise was to end wars

We do know that two destroyers that were positioned in the Mediterranean are being repositioned to the east. Those are capable of shooting down missiles, and the US has made it clear that it did help Israel try to strike down those Iranian missiles.

The president said that they had replenished the Iron Dome missiles – those air defence protections in Israel. He ran for office saying he would put “America First”. That he would end all the wars. Remember, he said that he was going to end the Ukrainian war in 24 hours. The war on Gaza was going to end.

He always says, without explaining, that if he had been president, neither of those wars would have started.

He is president now. So, of course, the question is going to be is if he is willing to step in if it looks like a broader war is about to break out in the region.

What Trump says and does are very different things. His actions are helping Israel, with intelligence on Iran and shooting down missiles. Meanwhile trying to play dumb to keep the attention off US' involvement. 

Israel hopes US ‘dragged into’ conflict to push for regime change in Iran: Analyst

Shahram Akbarzadeh, professor of Middle East politics at Deakin University in Australia, said both Israel and Iran appear to be “settling in for the long haul” and more attacks can be expected.

“At the moment, Iran has simply responded like a tit-for-tat to see how Israel responds. But it is very clear that Iran is not going to tolerate an attack by Israel targeting its military commanders and scientists as well as the military establishment and nuclear facilities,” Akbarzadeh told Al Jazeera.

“This is a very dangerous turn of events for the whole region because, as many observers have pointed out, there is every chance this could spread out to the whole region and draw in the United States,” Akbarzadeh said.

Iran does not seek to have a confrontation with the US, and in terms of military might, Tehran would not “stand a chance”, he said. But Israel appears to be hoping for such a scenario.

“When Israel launches attacks on Iran, Iran has to respond, and I think Israel is actually banking on this dynamic – that once the conflict starts, the United States has an obligation and a commitment to Israeli security,” he said.

“So the United States would be dragged into the conflict, and that is what Prime Minister Netanyahu is trying to achieve. To have the US dragged into the conflict and resulting in some kind of regime change in Iran”.


And Trump is simply waiting for the excuse to get the US' population on board.

also, has anybody here kept up with H3H3’s descent into madness over the Gaza Genocide? Once a very popular YouTube celebrity, Ethan and his wife spend their entire podcast defending Israel and blaming Hamas for the mass casualties.

So the only war that has to come to an end is the Russian's war against Ukraine, and no matter the cost Ukraine has to pay or injustice they endure for it to end. Every other war should be nurtured and encouraged. There was a never a deal for Iran to be signed, and if you were an Iranian, why would sign a deal with the same guy who ripped the previous apart to please Netanyahu. Made world, and ofc, Germany, France and UK leaders have to come out in support of Israel because? Disgusting all around.

Quick comment on this being an echo chamber, it isn't, hats off for the mods, I have expressed all sorts of unpopular opinions in the past, some of which have proven to be stupid and clearly wrong. I don't think I was ever banned for them, the only reason this forum might seem like an echo chamber is because you can't genuinely be a conservative supporting the Trump regime and make any rationale arguments that you know in few hours you will have to contradict and bend over to protect Trump's image in your own eyes before anyone else's, it's deep seated daddy beta issues, repulsive, but then again, you only mirror the image of your idols.