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Cerebralbore101 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I get that, but what other vehicles for personal use are the US producing that aren't trucks or SUVs? That was my main question.

Looks like it's just the Cadillac CT4. A regular car is called a Sedan in the USA. I guess there's a charger or whatever but that's a sports car and not an everyday person's car. There's some Tesla's but again, those are not regular people cars. Those are for rich bastards. Also Tesla blows for reliability.

https://carbuzz.com/there-will-be-only-5-american-made-sedans-left-in-2025/ This site says 8 but they count Toyota, Honda and other foreign brands.

SanAndreasX said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

I get that, but what other vehicles for personal use are the US producing that aren't trucks or SUVs? That was my main question.

Pretty much none. Ford discontinued the Fiesta, Focus, and all of their other small and mid-sized cars. The only regular car they still make is the Mustang, which is a muscle car rather than a family sedan. GM likewise discontinued the Malibu, which was their basic midsized car. They all focus on SUVs and trucks. 

The sedan market in the US pretty much belongs to Asian models like the Toyota Camry and the Honda Civic. However, even Asian companies are dropping subcompact cars. The last remaining subcompact in the U.S. will be the Nissan Versa. Mitsubishi discontinued the other last remaining subcompact, the Mirage, last year. They enjoyed a surge in popularity when the Second Gulf War during Dubya's term spiked gas prices to the moon. However, part of this is because the gas mileage and price of a subcompact weren't significantly better than larger car sizes to justify the lack of interior space. I own a Toyota Tacoma, Toyota's mid-size truck entry, and it gets gas mileage as good as smaller cars did 20 years ago.  However, up until I bought it, I bought compact cars. My first new car was a Toyota Echo, and I actually own a Mitsubishi Mirage, which has been a solid car. 

Thanks for your answers. So basically none are left. The Fiesta and Focus didn't count anyway, as those were European Fords, not American ones.

The Mustang is actually one of the few American imported cars that are actually somewhat popular in Europe.

For Europeans, Sedan is just a type of build for a car, along Space Wagon, Hatchback, cabriolet (convertible), coupé, and so on. But sedans are by far the most unpopular category except for luxury executive vehicles and thus definitely not synonymous with car.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Thanks for your answers. So basically none are left. The Fiesta and Focus didn't count anyway, as those were European Fords, not American ones.

The Mustang is actually one of the few American imported cars that are actually somewhat popular in Europe.

For Europeans, Sedan is just a type of build for a car, along Space Wagon, Hatchback, cabriolet (convertible), coupé, and so on. But sedans are by far the most unpopular category except for luxury executive vehicles and thus definitely not synonymous with car.

These are the same in the US. Although most of these have gone out of style. Except for space wagon I'm not familiar with this term, "station wagon" I assume is the American English equivalent. 

"Car" gets used in kind of a weird way in American English.

Most of the time, it's used in a very general way - a truck, minivan, sedans, convertible are all cars in a general sense. "Yes I have a car, it's a Ford F150".  

Sometimes car is used in a more specific way, which is the way that you were using it. Sedan, hatchback, convertible, coup. 



Cerebralbore101 said:

To my fellow Americans, a Truck or SUV is a car. I drive a 20-year-old Toyota Corolla because it runs great and is cheap to insure. Meanwhile, people tell me all the time that "the average car payment according to AAA is $600." And then every goddamn time, I have to point out that AAA is using F150's and SUVs in their "car payment" average. They are also using payments of people who sold their old vehicle before paying it off. So many people in the USA are paying for both their new car and their old car that they sold. 

So many people want to bitch about the price of videogames or some other tech, yet they light money on fire all the time.

An American truck is what we call a "ute" or "utility vehicle". - They are extremely prolific here.

We do have American F150's and RAM's here, but it's the cheap, small Korean and Chinese vehicles that dominate sales due to efficiency and cost.

Ryuu96 said:

I think I can speak for many Brits when I say that we don't want USA's ugly monstrosities on our roads, specifically the oversized, overcompensating vehicles. They're not only ugly as shit, environmentally damaging, not built for our roads, they're also straight up dangerous. The size of some of these things is absolutely ridiculous, there is little chance of surviving an impact from one.

America's Cars and Trucks Are Getting Bigger, and So Are Their Front Blind Zones. Children Are Paying The Price.

U.S. Drivers Run Over 15 Children Every Day In Parking Lots And Driveways

They'd even demolish your average vehicle and probably the driver in them.

From a Road Crash Rescue perspective, they also add a ton off extra dynamics and risks to an extrication if it's an LV vs LV... They tend to end up on top of smaller vehicles and thus requires extra stabilization, care and caution.
If it's an Ugly American monstrosity verses a road train, it's usually a far better outcome, that extra volume can help.

the-pi-guy said:

A lot of the car discussions are made more difficult by the fact that companies don't generally want to ship cars overseas. (Think of how much material could be shipped inside of a vehicle.)

Toyota hires 10's of thousands of US workers, and makes almost million cars every year in the US. Toyota alone makes more cars in the US than gets traded between the US and all of Europe. 

Honda is the same. 

Hyundai has two US plants from what I understand, the one makes almost 400k vehicles, and there's a newer one that is expected to make 500k vehicles a year. 

Yes, two Japanese and one Korean companies, but they make literally millions of cars in the US. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq8kn5v37wxo

" In 2022, 692,334 new EU-made cars were exported to the US, worth €36bn ($37bn; £30bn). While only 116,207 new US-made cars went in the opposite direction"

Sadly we closed down our car manufacturing a long time ago, our economy transitioned in other ways.



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Now for Trump to completely ignore it.

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US government provides scant details to justify Mahmoud Khalil deportation push

The US government has responded to a judge’s order to provide its justifications for seeking to deport Columbia University student Mahmoud Khalil over his involvement in pro-Palestine protests, but it offers scant details.

In a filing signed by Marco Rubio, the US secretary of state, the government again cited a State Department policy that allows for the deportation of an individual when there is “reasonable ground to believe that the alien’s presence or activities in the United States would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States”.

The filing argued Khalil’s involvement in “anti-Semitic protests and disruptive activities, which fosters a hostile environment for Jewish students in the United States” meets that standard.

There is no evidence Khalil took part in any anti-Jewish activities throughout his involvement in the protests.

In a statement, Khalil’s lawyers said the government filing shows they have “no case whatsoever” against Khalil. “There is not a single shred of proof that Mahmoud’s presence in America poses any threat.”

A judge is to make a decision on whether Khalil may be deported – or if the case should be dismissed – on Friday.




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Ryuu96 said:

Now for Trump to completely ignore it.

If we're going to have a full on constitutional crisis with Trump well and truly going full dictator, I guess I'd rather have it be now with this case than later with, say, the next election. Let it come to a head now while there's still some cohesion against him and we'll see if we really are in a dictatorship after all.



TallSilhouette said:
Ryuu96 said:

Now for Trump to completely ignore it.

If we're going to have a full on constitutional crisis with Trump well and truly going full dictator, I guess I'd rather have it be now with this case than later with, say, the next election. Let it come to a head now while there's still some cohesion against him and we'll see if we really are in a dictatorship after all.

Supposedly Andrew Jackson is said to have responed to Worcester v. Georgia (a landmark Supreme Court decision which laid the groundwork for the relationship between Native American tribes and the government) as follows: "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it." However, this comment appeared in Horace Greeley's newspaper 20 years after Jackson was dead. However, in a letter, Jackson did say that "the decision of the Supreme Court has fell still born, and they find that they cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate," and he also joked that since the Supreme Court was made up of what he felt were northern partisans, that the Massachusetts militia should go and enforce the court's ruling.



This vile, sadistic person is Chaya Raichik, AKA the Libs of TikTok woman, a former real estate agent who has become a right wing darling for doxxing people in schools. She was hired by Oklahoma Secretary of Education to "review" library books in Oklahoma.



Pro-Palestinian protesters at Stanford charged with felonies

US authorities have charged 12 protesters with felony vandalism for participating in a June 2024 pro-Palestine demonstration at Stanford University in California.

The charged – who range in age from 19 to 32 – barricaded themselves inside the office of the school president last year. Prosecutors accuse the group of “conspiracy to occupy” the building, adding that at least one suspect entered by breaking a window.

The university said at the time that 13 people were arrested during the protest, while one police officer was injured and the building suffered “extensive” damage.


A student encampment at Stanford University in California on November 7, 2023, where protesters were calling for the university to condemn Israel’s attacks on Gaza

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pro-palestinian-protesters-stanford-charged-with-felonies-2025-04-10/




Ryuu96 said:

I think I can speak for many Brits when I say that we don't want USA's ugly monstrosities on our roads, specifically the oversized, overcompensating vehicles. They're not only ugly as shit, environmentally damaging, not built for our roads, they're also straight up dangerous. The size of some of these things is absolutely ridiculous, there is little chance of surviving an impact from one.

America's Cars and Trucks Are Getting Bigger, and So Are Their Front Blind Zones. Children Are Paying The Price.

U.S. Drivers Run Over 15 Children Every Day In Parking Lots And Driveways

They'd even demolish your average vehicle and probably the driver in them.

That looks wildly impractical... and dangerous.
Why aren't there laws protecting the market against these things?
Like some regulatory body should go "this is not okay, you can't make cars over this weight and size" ?

Like this doesn't even look like a car anymore.
This looks like a vehicle you would need a special reason to by, ei at work we need to transport x,y,z or something.
This isn't a personal car, for transportation anymore.