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sc94597 on 06 April 2025
Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Healthcare is free in the US if you cant afford it. 

Only under VERY specific circumstances, as in, you're either absolutely physically or mentally unable to earn any income, or you're a prisoner. Selling of your possessions wouldn't be enough to be eligible, otherwise all the homeless would benefit from it, which they don't.

Pyro as Bill is indeed wrong about everyone who needs Medicaid getting it. Having said that, a fifth of all Americans get their insurance through Medicaid and many more than that (up to a third of the population in some states) qualify, but don't apply for it, because they think they don't qualify. It would be hard to find an American who doesn't have a family or friend who has gotten insurance through Medicaid. Copays for Medicaid are about $0-$5, and hospital stays around $20/week. So essentially "free" in the average European sense (multipayer universal healthcare with some cost sharing.)

How easy it is to get Medicaid and how much it covers (beyond a federal minimum) varies from state to state though. Purple states, ironically, have the best Medicaid services because elections are competitive and it is an easy win for politicians. A good number of blue states have inclusive Medicaid as well. Red states lag behind, considerably. 

Most homeless people qualify for Medicaid but not having a home makes the application process tricky and you have to actively apply to get coverage beyond "emergency medicaid." Hospitals will have homeless people auto-applied into emergency Medicaid because it is a way for them to get paid by the state for mandatory emergency care. 

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KManX89 on 06 April 2025
Pyro as Bill said:
Ryuu96 said:

Can't say I remember Democrats saying Trump was racist for wanting to put travel restrictions on China. I see Trump made a false claim on Biden that Biden called him xenophobic for doing so, but here is what Biden actually said.

All Dates in 2020.

On the day the White House announced the travel restrictions, Biden did say at a campaign event in Iowa that as the pandemic unfolds, Americans “need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it.” He added, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

The Biden campaign says Biden’s “reference to xenophobia was about Trump’s long record of scapegoating others at a time when the virus was emerging from China,” and that he was not talking about the travel ban.

On April 3, Biden’s campaign said Biden supported Trump’s decision to impose travel restrictions on China.

“Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy,” Kate Bedingfield, Biden’s deputy campaign manager, told CNN. “Science supported this ban, therefore he did too.”

On ABC’s “This Week” on April 5, Biden responded that while he agreed with the travel restrictions on China, he didn’t think the president acted with enough “urgency.”

You got to go faster than slower. And we started off awfully slow. He indicated that I complimented him on — on dealing with China. Well, you know, 45 nations had already moved to keep — block China’s personnel from being able to come to the United States before the president moved. So, it’s just — it’s about pace. It’s about — it’s about the urgency. And I don’t think there’s been enough of it, urgency.

Trump vax? You're speaking like Trump was personally inside the facilities himself, hand crafting the vaccine, Lmao. Sorry but this is complete nonsense, who the hell was taking pride is refusing the Pfizer vaccine except from anti-vax idiots...Who are mainly Trump supporters, yes, there's some idiot antivaxxers on the left too, but boy what revisionist history to make it seem like it was the Democrats who were antivax when it was actually in fact mostly Trump supporters.

Funny how quickly people forget who the original antivaxers were.

https://apnews.com/article/8790eda23e94aec7cf7b4beaaa67ceaf

Funny how you MAGA cultists love to do an about face on the vaccine:

Also pretty sure Trump was the one telling people Covid is a hoax, encouraging if not outright telling people not to wear masks, opposing lockdowns, etc.



Pyro as Bill on 06 April 2025
the-pi-guy said:
Pyro as Bill said:

The US has the best medical treatment on the planet. Yeah it's expensive if you can afford it but it's free if you can't That's better than rationed treatment if you're one of the unlucky ones.

It's free if you're poor enough, not necessarily if you can't afford it. 

Lower middle class people can absolutely be bankrupted. 

Plenty of people having to decline better jobs because they would lose their healthcare. 

Pyro as Bill said:

Funny how quickly people forget who the original antivaxers were.

https://apnews.com/article/8790eda23e94aec7cf7b4beaaa67ceaf

This has nothing to do with being antivaxx. 

So when someone refuses the vax cos they have legit mental health and trust issues it's bad but when Democrats do it for nothing other than political gain it's OK?

Physician heal thyself.



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Machiavellian on 06 April 2025
Pyro as Bill said:
Ryuu96 said:

I'm not sure you understand what free means, or is this a troll? Lmao. You went from saying it's free if you can't afford it, to saying that they'd have to sell everything they own and their kids won't have an inheritance? That ain't free, Lol. I'm not sure that's as strong of an argument as you think it is either; You'll lose everything you own, your kids will have no money, you'll be financially desolate but be grateful as you were seen on the same day! So much better than Europe's system! We can only dream of having something so amazing!

So I, a European, can only dream of having something as amazing as the poorest man in America receives. Speaking as someone who has had dozens of major surgeries, all free of charge and even last year required surgery, non-emergency, to which I was in the hospital within a week, had my own single room, had the surgery within days and was out within another week and didn't come out of it having to sell everything I own, I can once again say that your example is hyperbolic bullshit, Lol.

I'd rather be poor in America than dead in Europe. Poor Americans get welfare too and it's magnitudes more than a Romanian gets.

I invite you to come to America poor and see exactly how much you get.  I believe you have absolutely no ideal what you are talking about.  Being seen and being treated is a whole different story when you do not have any money.  While welfare works much better if you are a child, try believing as an adult you will get the same treatment with no money and poor.



the-pi-guy on 06 April 2025

Pyro as Bill said:

So when someone refuses the vax cos they have legit mental health and trust issues it's bad but when Democrats do it for nothing other than political gain it's OK?

Physician heal thyself.

You sure love making stuff up, don't you? 

You have it incredibly backwards. 



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Pyro as Bill on 06 April 2025
Machiavellian said:
Pyro as Bill said:

I'd rather be poor in America than dead in Europe. Poor Americans get welfare too and it's magnitudes more than a Romanian gets.

I invite you to come to America poor and see exactly how much you get.  I believe you have absolutely no ideal what you are talking about.  Being seen and being treated is a whole different story when you do not have any money.  While welfare works much better if you are a child, try believing as an adult you will get the same treatment with no money and poor.

So let's tax billionairre companies more just like Trump is doing.



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the-pi-guy on 06 April 2025
Pyro as Bill said:

So let's tax billionairre companies more just like Trump is doing.

Except he's not. He decreased corporate tax rates and income tax rates, while pushing for tariffs that will impact the poor more. 



Pyro as Bill on 06 April 2025
the-pi-guy said:

Pyro as Bill said:

So when someone refuses the vax cos they have legit mental health and trust issues it's bad but when Democrats do it for nothing other than political gain it's OK?

Physician heal thyself.

You sure love making stuff up, don't you? 

You have it incredibly backwards. 

The antivaxers making a name for themselves now are all doing it when there's no real emergency and most seem a bit tapped in the head. The antivaxers at the start of the pandemic were doing it for political reasons. Hopefully a more dangerous and virulent covid strain returns and we can expose all the hypocrites while we play our Switch 2 under another lockdown.



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Pyro as Bill on 06 April 2025
the-pi-guy said:
Pyro as Bill said:

So let's tax billionairre companies more just like Trump is doing.

Except he's not. He decreased corporate tax rates and income tax rates, while pushing for tariffs that will impact the poor more. 

Companies pay the triff and (eventually) pass it onto to consumers just like they do with corporation tax. All taxes on companies are indirect taxes on consumers.



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the-pi-guy on 06 April 2025
Pyro as Bill said:

The antivaxers making a name for themselves now are all doing it when there's no real emergency and most seem a bit tapped in the head. The antivaxers at the start of the pandemic were doing it for political reasons. Hopefully a more dangerous and virulent covid strain returns and we can expose all the hypocrites while we play our Switch 2 under another lockdown.

Those people are not antivaxxers. They were pro-vaccine. They were concerned that the Trump administration would push a bad vaccine for political reasons. When that wasn't the case, they heavily pushed vaccines - when the science showed it was effective. 

You're being incredibly dishonest.