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Tober said:

I'm not American, but I do enjoy the sitcom American Politics.

I've regularly watched congressional hearings over many years and the thing that is obvious is that no matter who occupies the white house, the departments have no interest in working with the senate on any hearing request at all. Stone walling I suppose the term is. That and obviously the Senators and House members are more interested in giving some monologue than to get to the bottom of things.

So now you got a President that hired some youngsters to go check the departments out to see what is actually happening with American tax money and everyone is getting their undies in a twist. More outrage about some social media post of these youngsters than what they actually found. I thought Americans would be happy that some transparency is brought to these bloated Government institutions.

The United States remains to be weird, what makes it funny.

They're not adding transparency to our Government. You can find out how the government is spending money already. There are tons of break downs, and you can get into plenty of detail. We just had a discussion about how the CDC spent so much money on solar powered tables. 

If anything, they're making transparency worse, because we have no idea what they have access to or what they're doing. 

People are getting their undies in a twist, because these youngsters are inexperienced people accessing things that they probably shouldn't; not to mention that they're supporting illegal actions. The president doesn't have the oversight to just shut down agencies he doesn't like.



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Tober said:

I'm not American, but I do enjoy the sitcom American Politics.

I've regularly watched congressional hearings over many years and the thing that is obvious is that no matter who occupies the white house, the departments have no interest in working with the senate on any hearing request at all. Stone walling I suppose the term is. That and obviously the Senators and House members are more interested in giving some monologue than to get to the bottom of things.

So now you got a President that hired some youngsters to go check the departments out to see what is actually happening with American tax money and everyone is getting their undies in a twist. More outrage about some social media post of these youngsters than what they actually found. I thought Americans would be happy that some transparency is brought to these bloated Government institutions.

The United States remains to be weird, what makes it funny.

I just thank goodness we have some transparent platforms now instead of the censorship we saw in 2020 and 2021.  With X being bought and some prominent voices being allowed on Twitch and YouTube now that weren't there or were brushed off as fringe or simply stayed silent on political stuff for fear of being deplatformed or having to be dishonest to avoid that, it's much more balanced news coverage and being left up to the people rather than just controlling what people see and hear 



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Tober said:
Torillian said:

Watched a bit and he's just talking in platitudes. Once he gets into examples we actually have something to talk about. So which of the examples given were so egregious that we had to axe everything that USAID does? Was it trying to produce Sesame Street for Iraq? Or maybe the thing about Sri Lankan journalist education for avoiding gendered language (I'll just take the Senator's word on this one). Because just listing them and then not getting into what you disagree with is a lazy man's argument so let's get into it. 

You keep saying "noone wants to talk about the actual findings" so fucking do it. Don't give me 30 minutes of youtube homework you tell me with your words what they found that you disagree with and let me know why it means all of USAID has to stop. 

Well you did not see it to the end then, where Kennedy does say the opposite of "axe everything USAID does". So that is a false premise.

The main message is offcourse that he as a senate member who's job it is to oversee the spending of Government departments did not know about many of the findings. Clearly the departments where not transparent or forthcoming enough for him or others in the senate/house to do so.

This is also my message in my comment. Transparency! And I believe every American should be happy with it. It's not my place to agree or disagree with how American taxpayer's money is spend nor did I opinionated that USAID has to stop. So why should I argue with you that it should? You are reading things, that I did not write. And Mind reading does not exist my friend.

I pointed out how funny it is, the energy put into fine combing some kids social media posts. Clearly the age old trick is used to find something to demonize the messenger so to undermine the message. It's a trick as old as politics itself.

Kennedy doesn't matter, what did happen is that they tried to shut down USAID entirely because of these things they "found". I did watch that part of what Kennedy said I just don't care because what did happen is the administration said "too much woke stuff shut the whole thing down". 

And if what happened was Elon did his idiotic little audit and then the congress went on to vote on how USAID funding should be used that would be fine. Instead we have a "contractor" according to you who is not only auditing these places but shutting them down without the authorization of the legislature. It's not how this shit is supposed to work but when the people who are supposed to execute the laws don't follow them themselves there's not a lot to do other than protest. 

Transparency isn't listing things on Twitter you don't like that USAID does. When Elon publishes it all I'll give him some credit until then he's just trolling a giant list of grants and finding things he doesn't like to try and get the government shut down. It's a republican tactic as old as libertarians. If you don't want to argue about what they're actually doing then I guess we don't have to talk and I'll just assume you have no clue what you're talking about. Already said you don't live in the US and this is just funny to you so I should've taken that as a clue. 

I actually found that exchange with the 25 year old's posts very telling. It showed that this administration doesn't mind if you're a racist. Very telling and illustrative. 



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SvennoJ said:
Torillian said:

Watched a bit and he's just talking in platitudes. Once he gets into examples we actually have something to talk about. So which of the examples given were so egregious that we had to axe everything that USAID does? Was it trying to produce Sesame Street for Iraq? Or maybe the thing about Sri Lankan journalist education for avoiding gendered language (I'll just take the Senator's word on this one). Because just listing them and then not getting into what you disagree with is a lazy man's argument so let's get into it. 

You keep saying "noone wants to talk about the actual findings" so fucking do it. Don't give me 30 minutes of youtube homework you tell me with your words what they found that you disagree with and let me know why it means all of USAID has to stop. 

USAID went against Aipac, published a report that stated the USA was violating Leahy law which it was forced to retract one week later.

Before that they already criticized JLOTS.

https://oig.usaid.gov/node/7063

USAID-backed report about famine in Gaza taken down after criticism from U.S. ambassador to Israel

https://jewishinsider.com/2024/12/jack-lew-israel-gaza-aid-usaid/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/aid-groups-concerned-after-u-s-says-it-pushed-retraction-of-famine-warning-for-northern-gaza

USAID was telling / backing inconvenient truths, had to go.

And CFPB has to go because it protects the average consumer too much against abusive rich corporations.

  • The CFPB filed a lawsuit against Capitol One over accusations that the bank illegally charged customers over $2 billion in interest.
  • It returned $100 million to borrowers who were serviced by private lender Navient in September after the CFPB accused the company of mishandling borrowers' payments.
  • CFPB also recently took action against a mortgage lender over accusations of discriminatory lending practices
  • It sued Experian, accusing the credit reporting company of reporting errors.
  • CFPB has distributed over $21 billion in monetary compensation and cancelled debts back to consumers.
  • $363 million in monetary relief for service members and veterans.
  • $5 billion in civil money penalties the agency collected as a result of violations of federal consumer protection law.

CFPB has bipartisan support but people will ignore the rich scamming the fuck out of them as long as they are on their side.

Musk & the DOGE henchmen are now inside & gutting the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

CFPB costs less than $1billion to run, but has returned over $20 billion to ordinary Americans who’ve been victims of big business fraud & illegal junk fees.

A great day for corporate scammers.

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— News Eye (@newseye.bsky.social) 8 February 2025 at 04:16

I hope those farmers that voted for Trump enjoy losing billions in USAID which purchases about $2 billion a year of rice, wheat, lentils, and peas from American farmers. But Musk and his Nazis are rampaging through systems cutting every single thing they see without a single thought and I doubt Trump will be bailing out American farmers this time considering he doesn't need their vote anymore.

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Torillian said:
Tober said:

Well you did not see it to the end then, where Kennedy does say the opposite of "axe everything USAID does". So that is a false premise.

The main message is offcourse that he as a senate member who's job it is to oversee the spending of Government departments did not know about many of the findings. Clearly the departments where not transparent or forthcoming enough for him or others in the senate/house to do so.

This is also my message in my comment. Transparency! And I believe every American should be happy with it. It's not my place to agree or disagree with how American taxpayer's money is spend nor did I opinionated that USAID has to stop. So why should I argue with you that it should? You are reading things, that I did not write. And Mind reading does not exist my friend.

I pointed out how funny it is, the energy put into fine combing some kids social media posts. Clearly the age old trick is used to find something to demonize the messenger so to undermine the message. It's a trick as old as politics itself.

Kennedy doesn't matter, what did happen is that they tried to shut down USAID entirely because of these things they "found". I did watch that part of what Kennedy said I just don't care because what did happen is the administration said "too much woke stuff shut the whole thing down". 

And if what happened was Elon did his idiotic little audit and then the congress went on to vote on how USAID funding should be used that would be fine. Instead we have a "contractor" according to you who is not only auditing these places but shutting them down without the authorization of the legislature. It's not how this shit is supposed to work but when the people who are supposed to execute the laws don't follow them themselves there's not a lot to do other than protest. 

Transparency isn't listing things on Twitter you don't like that USAID does. When Elon publishes it all I'll give him some credit until then he's just trolling a giant list of grants and finding things he doesn't like to try and get the government shut down. It's a republican tactic as old as libertarians. If you don't want to argue about what they're actually doing then I guess we don't have to talk and I'll just assume you have no clue what you're talking about. Already said you don't live in the US and this is just funny to you so I should've taken that as a clue. 

I actually found that exchange with the 25 year old's posts very telling. It showed that this administration doesn't mind if you're a racist. Very telling and illustrative. 

You think Americans would be better of without an audit? An unconventional one this one is for sure, but that it is happening should be good no?

That it is an unconventional one should not come as a surprise with America choosing an unconventional President. I believe Trump was very clear about it during his campaign and seemingly most Americans agreed enough to vote him in.



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Tober said:
Ryuu96 said:

Call me crazy but I don't believe a Nazi, eugenicist and racist should be anywhere near government and making decisions which affect millions of people. I also don't believe that fresh out of college edge lords have any idea on how government works and the consequences of their actions. Oh and government officials should actually be able to see what unelected people are doing to government institutions.

I also don't believe the man whose companies also rely on government subsidies is in any position to decide on these things, it is firstly a massive conflict of interest and secondly hypocritical. I would also point to his one company that doesn't rely on government handouts (Twitter) is crashing and burning in revenue and profit even after he laid of 80% of its workforce.

Governments should not be ran like a business either where everything has a P/L system, that isn't to say they can throw away infinite amounts of cash with nothing in return but it is to say that there are certain things which are forgivable to put money into without a "profit" as it provides major benefits elsewhere, that can be foreign aid to boost diplomatic relations, prevent the spread of deadly diseases, increase economic ties or things that benefit a countries population as a whole, like healthcare, which in turn leads to a stronger workforce and healthier nation.

Musk and his cronies are simply burning through absolutely everything, with no thought at all behind the consequences of their actions, the negative impacts in the future, all on the vague bullshit of "cutting costs" but shockingly, none of these "savings" will impact the average citizen, instead the rich will continue to get richer as local and foreign support systems are gutted. Lets take the USAID which has provided American farmers billions in the past, now gone. Or the thousands of now jobless people in America.

Here's another random attack: Musk’s Team Takes Control of Key Systems at Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

Which funnily has bipartisan support but it won't stop Musk in his insane crusade.

Please see Forbes broadcast of Senator John Kennedy speech on the Floor about it. It's enlightening:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BA3ma1MeSIU

You also do understand that the Government has Contractors all the time. This is no difference. But because they find things out the other team does not like, the contractors have to be attacked offcourse on a personal level, without talking about the actual findings themselves.

This attacking the other team on a personal level in general goes both ways obviously, that's why American Politics is such a Soap Opera.

You're framing this as if it was a simple disagreement, a light-hearted difference of opinions, the other team didn't like it? Dude, Elon Musk is a Nazi and he has a team of racists and pro-eugenics, one of them was also fired from a cybersecurity internship for leaking company information, they're fresh out of college edge lords, they should be nowhere near decisions which affect millions of people both domestically and globally. I'm pretty sure Nazis and pro-Eugenics psychopaths would be attacked in most countries and rightfully so, Lmao.

It's bollocks that you're framing pro-eugenics and racists being attacked as a "Soap Opera" which only applies to America.

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Tober said:
Torillian said:

Kennedy doesn't matter, what did happen is that they tried to shut down USAID entirely because of these things they "found". I did watch that part of what Kennedy said I just don't care because what did happen is the administration said "too much woke stuff shut the whole thing down". 

And if what happened was Elon did his idiotic little audit and then the congress went on to vote on how USAID funding should be used that would be fine. Instead we have a "contractor" according to you who is not only auditing these places but shutting them down without the authorization of the legislature. It's not how this shit is supposed to work but when the people who are supposed to execute the laws don't follow them themselves there's not a lot to do other than protest. 

Transparency isn't listing things on Twitter you don't like that USAID does. When Elon publishes it all I'll give him some credit until then he's just trolling a giant list of grants and finding things he doesn't like to try and get the government shut down. It's a republican tactic as old as libertarians. If you don't want to argue about what they're actually doing then I guess we don't have to talk and I'll just assume you have no clue what you're talking about. Already said you don't live in the US and this is just funny to you so I should've taken that as a clue. 

I actually found that exchange with the 25 year old's posts very telling. It showed that this administration doesn't mind if you're a racist. Very telling and illustrative. 

You think Americans would be better of without an audit? An unconventional one this one is for sure, but that it is happening should be good no?

That it is an unconventional one should not come as a surprise with America choosing an unconventional President. I believe Trump was very clear about it during his campaign and seemingly most Americans agreed enough to vote him in.

Can't vote for illegal things even if you want them. 

Or to be more accurate, you can vote for them but the people you vote in can't do them. 

Also, just to keep adding things to this post: audits are not by definition good, they can be bad if done illegally or dishonestly (like this one)

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People largely voted for Trump because they thought he would get their grocery bills down, not for Elon Musk to rampage through, cutting everything he sets his eyes on, we're not talking about a few cuts here and there but Musk and his Nazis dismantling things completely. Things which will have negative impacts on America as a whole and American citizens.

Anyway...

So Much For Lower Prices: Americans Stockpile Eggs As Stores Are Left With Empty Shelves Amid Bird Flu Outbreaks



Torillian said:
Tober said:

You think Americans would be better of without an audit? An unconventional one this one is for sure, but that it is happening should be good no?

That it is an unconventional one should not come as a surprise with America choosing an unconventional President. I believe Trump was very clear about it during his campaign and seemingly most Americans agreed enough to vote him in.

Can't vote for illegal things even if you want them. 

Or to be more accurate, you can vote for them but the people you vote in can't do them. 

Also, just to keep adding things to this post: audits are not by definition good, they can be bad if done illegally or dishonestly (like this one)

What's illegal about it?

The executive branch has the power to audit itself I thought?



Tober said:
Torillian said:

Can't vote for illegal things even if you want them. 

Or to be more accurate, you can vote for them but the people you vote in can't do them. 

Also, just to keep adding things to this post: audits are not by definition good, they can be bad if done illegally or dishonestly (like this one)

What's illegal about it?

The executive branch has the power to audit itself I thought?

Like someone said above and you derided as goal post moving it's about how the audit is done. There are systems set up for this to protect the privacy of all those involved which have been ignored. You can't just bring in whatever dipshits you want and ignore security clearance, there are ways to do this legally. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2025/02/08/here-are-all-the-major-lawsuits-against-trump-and-musk-as-judge-cuts-off-doges-treasury-access/

There's a list of all the lawsuits that Elon is party of for his "audits". 

Think of this like Trump's documents case. Isn't the executive branch allowed to use it's own documents? Well sure, but only in ways that we have deemed legal, not however they damn well please. 



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