You don't know about the plot. You don't know about the 7 slates of fake electors from swing states, the request to Pence to send the election back down to the states which would then be decided not by number of members in the house (which the dems won) but each state's delegation (of which rep have more). You can think it wouldn't work but having a president willing to try these things is by definition more of a threat to democracy than one who isn't. 

What do you think the CIA is going to do haha

alright, so I guess when I vote for Jill Stein in my state of GA (which Trump will win) that’s the end of democracy, huh? Well, I’m sorry in advance lmao.

No, that’s not it at all. What I said is what I mean, the media has held her to a much higher standard than they have for Trump. They complained about her lack of policy details despite it being 1000x more detailed and coherent than Trump’s. They have complained about her lack of interviews and in the last couple weeks she has been on 60 minutes, The View, Oprah, Howard Stern, Stephen Corbert, Call her Daddy, All The Smoke.

Are we living in the same universe? In what way is she “really struggling” and an incoherent mess? Are you mixing her up with Trump who rants about choosing between getting electrocuted or getting eaten by a shark?

If the CIA detects that a coup is about to unfold, they have all the power *in the world* to immediately deter the threat. If the VP wants to unilaterally make his decision, then the forces in power have every right to force him to change his mind. It’s not this simple, and if you look at coups across the world, you’ll understand what I mean. Do you genuinely believe America is such a great country yet is so easily prone to completely collapsing into dictatorship? Lol.

im out for tn yall. Peace!

Probably. Netanyahu wants Trump to win, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. So far nothing has happened, certainly not the dooming of oil prices soaring through the roof at least and we don't know what the response will be, he only really has a few weeks to perform a response which could have an impact on the election. I remember people pissing their pants at Ukraine attacking Russian oil facilities too, dooming the US election because of it, so much for that. Just saying Iran already attacked Israel before and Israel already attacked Iran before.

Course Netanyahu going genocide mode on Lebanon is another issue which could hurt turnout.

Anyway, I am glad some Muslim leaders are starting to see it, that for how bad Biden is for them, Trump would be far worse, and Uncommitted are understandably not endorsing Harris but reading between the lines it's basically a call to vote for her, like they said "And we have to do everything in our power to stop him" and the only way to stop Trump is by making sure Harris is elected.

And the Muslim leaders going a step further: "Knowingly enabling someone like Donald Trump to return to office, whether by voting directly for him or for a third-party candidate, is both a moral and a strategic failure." They're absolutely spot on here, voting 3rd party is throwing your vote away, Jill Stein is a Russian bootlicking grifter who only bothers to show up every 4 years. Democrats/Independents voting for Stein's grift only helps Trump and he will by far worse than Biden, as these Muslim leaders are saying.

"Burn it all to the ground" is not a viable strategy, it never has been and it never will be, it's commonly said by a certain group of left wingers, typically privileged white guys with nothing to lose from a Trump presidency, or nothing to lose from "burning it all to the ground" or "sticking it to the Democrats to make myself feel good" and I say this as a Bernie/Corbyn supporter and someone who still considers myself a left winger, although I have huge disagreements with some when it comes to foreign policy.

Progress isn't always a straight line to the sky, it's bumpy, we can't go from A-Z in an instant. Progress is bit by bit, battle by battle, especially when for example in America, House and Senate are so tight and Republicans love to block every damn bill, so no Americans cannot get the entire slice when one side keeps blocking shit, I do not accept the idea of saying "fuck it all" and letting everything crumble though.

I despise Netanyahu and I can understand why people would hate voting Democrat right now but I wouldn't use that to throw everyone else under the bus too, I would instead get Harris elected and then blast her post-election and hope that she can be nudged from Biden's position once she no longer has an election hanging around her, I think there's a chance, however with Trump, I think there's precisely 0 chance in convincing him to change his mind, not only because the dude thrives off negativity and people being angry at him, but because we know him to be an even bigger supporter of Israel than most (as are Republicans overall, Democrats at least, House and Senators, along with voters, are more mixed).

Try to read what you are replying to ok? I said he's more of a threat to democracy not that it will necessarily be the end of it. Vote however you want, but try to at least learn about some of this stuff before you laugh off anyone with concerns. 

That's one way to once again avoid actually having a response.

Funny...I was actually repeating to myself in my head during this debate "Don't respond to Firebush, he has already wasted your one chance that you gave him, he already showed to you once before that he was debating in bad faith, don't do it, don't waste your time"

Thank you for proving myself right, you're a waste of my time.

No, I don't believe America is such a great country haha

But seriously, the responsibility for deterring threats by the President of the United States should fall on the Legislative and Judicial branches, not the CIA who are under the authority of the President. However, I don't have a lot of faith in the other branches of government due to the significant deterioration we've seen over the last few years. So, I agree when you say that it isn't as easy as the VP just saying Trump wins. However, it is as easy as the VP just saying Trump wins and the Legislative and Judicial branches supporting that conclusion. In that case, there is no Independent Coup Squad who would swoop in and depose the falsely elected Donald.