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Torillian said:
Ryuu96 said:

Please Please Please Democrats.

Do not make this a contested election.

  • Harris - Cooper
  • Harris - Beshear
  • Harris - Shapiro

Harris - Whitmer?  Think Whitmer would lock up Michigan no problem and she's pretty popular out there iirc. 

Not to sound sexist but do you think they will go with a double female ticket? I feel like safe, moderate white guy is what they will go with so one of the 3 options above.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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Biden needs to step down quickly or get Israel to sign a ceasefire. He's only giving Republicans more fuel with his failures to deal with Netanyahu

Senior US Republican calls floating pier off Gaza a ‘national embarrassment’

Commenting on the closure of the $230m aid pier, Senator Roger Wicker, the top Republican on the US Senate Armed Services Committee, was sharply critical of President Joe Biden.

“This chapter might be over in President Biden’s mind, but the national embarrassment that this project has caused is not,” Wicker said. “The only miracle is that this doomed-from-the-start operation did not cost any American lives.”

“I have been calling for an end to the election-year gimmick since its primetime inception at the State of the Union,” Wicker added. “While I am glad it has finally concluded, we cannot buy back the $230m needlessly spent, and significant questions remain about the Biden administration’s poor planning for this mission.”

Republicans have criticised the pier as a waste of money, and Wicker said the money could have been used on counter-drone interceptors to protect US troops in Iraq and Syria. The senator avoided any Israeli responsibility for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and instead has sought to pin the blame on Hamas. The United Nations and international aid organisations are demanding that Israel allow more access for aid, warning of starvation in the Palestinian enclave.


Bless Bernie, but this sounds so weak

Biden ‘at least believes’ in aid to Gaza: Bernie Sanders

The progressive US senator has been backing the embattled president, who is facing calls to end his re-election bid after a disastrous debate performance last month.

But in an interview with the New Yorker, Sanders acknowledged that many voters are disappointed with Biden and the Democratic Party over their unconditional support for Israel.

Biden said earlier this week that he has done more for Palestinians than anyone else – comments that further stoked outrage amongst Palestinian rights activists. Sanders had a difficult time defending that position when asked about the president’s remarks.

“The president at least believes that we ought to feed starving children in Gaza and get humanitarian aid there,” Sanders said. “You’ve got Republicans who don’t even want humanitarian aid to go in there.”

Biden has authorised billions of dollars worth of weapons and bombs for Israel to carry out its offensive in Gaza, which many experts describe as a genocide.



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US Muslim civil rights group denounces Republican’s call to ‘carpet bomb’ Gaza

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said that comments made by Matt Brooks, the CEO of the Republican Jewish Coalition, were “apparent support for the genocidal idea of carpet-bombing Gaza”, which spoke “volumes about the systematic, racist dehumanization of the Palestinian people”.

“Genocide is wrong, no matter its victim,” the CAIR national communications director, Ibrahim Hooper, added. “Republican elected officials should renounce this genocidal rhetoric, as well as the Israeli government’s ongoing use of American taxpayer dollars to bomb churches, mosques, hospitals, schools, refugee camps, and innocent men, women and children across Gaza.”

Speaking at the Republican National Convention on Tuesday, Brooks said that he believes Donald Trump will “provide a blank cheque to Israel” to “finish the job quickly” in Gaza if elected.

“If you need to carpet bomb the area, do it. Just get it done. Rip the band-aid off. Finish the job because Hamas needs to be destroyed,” Brooks said.


Now we have CAIR basically fighting for Biden... Two party system is so messed up.



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Torillian said:
Ryuu96 said:

Please Please Please Democrats.

Do not make this a contested election.

  • Harris - Cooper
  • Harris - Beshear
  • Harris - Shapiro

Harris - Whitmer?  Think Whitmer would lock up Michigan no problem and she's pretty popular out there iirc. 

Whitmer is a very strong candidate, in fact I think she's an even stronger one than Harris in normal circumstances, having said that and maybe I'm being cynical, but I can't see Americans going for a double woman ticket, I think it would need to be a white moderate guy, it can't be Newsom because he's Californian too, I think Shapiro is the strongest choice but they may not want to put the Governorship of Pennsylvania at risk, Roy Cooper is a strong candidate and outgoing, I also think Dems will lose a little old white male support that Biden has but Cooper may retain some of it by looking like a traditional old-school politician.

Whitmer - Shapiro would be a very strong ticket in the future, Imo.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 18 July 2024

My theory on Bernie and AOC's support is that they know their voice has absolutely zero influence on Biden staying in the race or not but by publicly supporting Biden, they're showing to Biden (and other moderates) they will stick by them when things get tough, if Biden remains in the race (and wins) then he will remember that and be more likely to listen to them (and they will push their policies) or even if Biden steps down, Harris will likely have appreciated their support too.

AOC and Bernie's voice doesn't mean a thing in terms of convincing Biden to step down, but while they show support to the Biden ticket, people like Pelosi, Hakeem and Schumer, with actual power and influence to force Biden off the ticket, can do so, Bernie and AOC don't have much to lose by supporting Biden remaining on the ticket and probably have more to gain by doing so.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 18 July 2024

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SvennoJ said:

Biden needs to step down quickly or get Israel to sign a ceasefire. He's only giving Republicans more fuel with his failures to deal with Netanyahu

Senior US Republican calls floating pier off Gaza a ‘national embarrassment’

Commenting on the closure of the $230m aid pier, Senator Roger Wicker, the top Republican on the US Senate Armed Services Committee, was sharply critical of President Joe Biden.

“This chapter might be over in President Biden’s mind, but the national embarrassment that this project has caused is not,” Wicker said. “The only miracle is that this doomed-from-the-start operation did not cost any American lives.”

“I have been calling for an end to the election-year gimmick since its primetime inception at the State of the Union,” Wicker added. “While I am glad it has finally concluded, we cannot buy back the $230m needlessly spent, and significant questions remain about the Biden administration’s poor planning for this mission.”

Republicans have criticised the pier as a waste of money, and Wicker said the money could have been used on counter-drone interceptors to protect US troops in Iraq and Syria. The senator avoided any Israeli responsibility for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and instead has sought to pin the blame on Hamas. The United Nations and international aid organisations are demanding that Israel allow more access for aid, warning of starvation in the Palestinian enclave.


Bless Bernie, but this sounds so weak

Biden ‘at least believes’ in aid to Gaza: Bernie Sanders

The progressive US senator has been backing the embattled president, who is facing calls to end his re-election bid after a disastrous debate performance last month.

But in an interview with the New Yorker, Sanders acknowledged that many voters are disappointed with Biden and the Democratic Party over their unconditional support for Israel.

Biden said earlier this week that he has done more for Palestinians than anyone else – comments that further stoked outrage amongst Palestinian rights activists. Sanders had a difficult time defending that position when asked about the president’s remarks.

“The president at least believes that we ought to feed starving children in Gaza and get humanitarian aid there,” Sanders said. “You’ve got Republicans who don’t even want humanitarian aid to go in there.”

Biden has authorised billions of dollars worth of weapons and bombs for Israel to carry out its offensive in Gaza, which many experts describe as a genocide.



This is more effective

US Muslim civil rights group denounces Republican’s call to ‘carpet bomb’ Gaza

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said that comments made by Matt Brooks, the CEO of the Republican Jewish Coalition, were “apparent support for the genocidal idea of carpet-bombing Gaza”, which spoke “volumes about the systematic, racist dehumanization of the Palestinian people”.

“Genocide is wrong, no matter its victim,” the CAIR national communications director, Ibrahim Hooper, added. “Republican elected officials should renounce this genocidal rhetoric, as well as the Israeli government’s ongoing use of American taxpayer dollars to bomb churches, mosques, hospitals, schools, refugee camps, and innocent men, women and children across Gaza.”

Speaking at the Republican National Convention on Tuesday, Brooks said that he believes Donald Trump will “provide a blank cheque to Israel” to “finish the job quickly” in Gaza if elected.

“If you need to carpet bomb the area, do it. Just get it done. Rip the band-aid off. Finish the job because Hamas needs to be destroyed,” Brooks said.


Now we have CAIR basically fighting for Biden... Two party system is so messed up.

I am going to give you a hint.  No matter who becomes president its not going to be a favorable outcome.



Machiavellian said:

I am going to give you a hint.  No matter who becomes president its not going to be a favorable outcome.

Oh I'm well aware.

It's a choice between a slower genocide and a faster one including annexation of the West Bank.
Between a slightly hesitant puppet and one that idolizes the puppet master.

It's up to Europe and the Global South to step up as Netanyahu and Aipac have the USA by their rapidly shrinking balls.

The USA doesn't care about international law. The US still hasn't paid reparations to Nicuragua as ordered by the ICJ in 1986 instead the USA withdrew from the ICJ in 1985 when they saw an unfavorable outcome coming. And again or rather further under Trump "The Trump administration on Wednesday pulled out of two international agreements after Iran and the Palestinians complained to the International Court of Justice about U.S. policies, the latest withdrawal by Washington from multilateral accords."

And yes Harris is just a slightly more hesitant puppet than Biden.


Maybe Trump in office will quicken the demise of the US as a disruptive world power and healing can start a bit sooner.



I love the United States but with everything going on it looks like the US might be over taken by other countries in the next decade. 

SvennoJ said:
Machiavellian said:

I am going to give you a hint.  No matter who becomes president its not going to be a favorable outcome.

Oh I'm well aware.

It's a choice between a slower genocide and a faster one including annexation of the West Bank.
Between a slightly hesitant puppet and one that idolizes the puppet master.

It's up to Europe and the Global South to step up as Netanyahu and Aipac have the USA by their rapidly shrinking balls.

The USA doesn't care about international law. The US still hasn't paid reparations to Nicuragua as ordered by the ICJ in 1986 instead the USA withdrew from the ICJ in 1985 when they saw an unfavorable outcome coming. And again or rather further under Trump "The Trump administration on Wednesday pulled out of two international agreements after Iran and the Palestinians complained to the International Court of Justice about U.S. policies, the latest withdrawal by Washington from multilateral accords."

And yes Harris is just a slightly more hesitant puppet than Biden.


Maybe Trump in office will quicken the demise of the US as a disruptive world power and healing can start a bit sooner.



BiON!@ 

"When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it's electric cars that don't drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocketships to nowhere, without which subsidies he'd be worthless, and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and Republican, I could have said, 'drop to your knees and beg,' and he would have done it,"