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Torillian said:
Ryuu96 said:

Please Please Please Democrats.

Do not make this a contested election.

  • Harris - Cooper
  • Harris - Beshear
  • Harris - Shapiro

Harris - Whitmer?  Think Whitmer would lock up Michigan no problem and she's pretty popular out there iirc. 

Not to sound sexist but do you think they will go with a double female ticket? I feel like safe, moderate white guy is what they will go with so one of the 3 options above.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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Biden needs to step down quickly or get Israel to sign a ceasefire. He's only giving Republicans more fuel with his failures to deal with Netanyahu

Senior US Republican calls floating pier off Gaza a ‘national embarrassment’

Commenting on the closure of the $230m aid pier, Senator Roger Wicker, the top Republican on the US Senate Armed Services Committee, was sharply critical of President Joe Biden.

“This chapter might be over in President Biden’s mind, but the national embarrassment that this project has caused is not,” Wicker said. “The only miracle is that this doomed-from-the-start operation did not cost any American lives.”

“I have been calling for an end to the election-year gimmick since its primetime inception at the State of the Union,” Wicker added. “While I am glad it has finally concluded, we cannot buy back the $230m needlessly spent, and significant questions remain about the Biden administration’s poor planning for this mission.”

Republicans have criticised the pier as a waste of money, and Wicker said the money could have been used on counter-drone interceptors to protect US troops in Iraq and Syria. The senator avoided any Israeli responsibility for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and instead has sought to pin the blame on Hamas. The United Nations and international aid organisations are demanding that Israel allow more access for aid, warning of starvation in the Palestinian enclave.


Bless Bernie, but this sounds so weak

Biden ‘at least believes’ in aid to Gaza: Bernie Sanders

The progressive US senator has been backing the embattled president, who is facing calls to end his re-election bid after a disastrous debate performance last month.

But in an interview with the New Yorker, Sanders acknowledged that many voters are disappointed with Biden and the Democratic Party over their unconditional support for Israel.

Biden said earlier this week that he has done more for Palestinians than anyone else – comments that further stoked outrage amongst Palestinian rights activists. Sanders had a difficult time defending that position when asked about the president’s remarks.

“The president at least believes that we ought to feed starving children in Gaza and get humanitarian aid there,” Sanders said. “You’ve got Republicans who don’t even want humanitarian aid to go in there.”

Biden has authorised billions of dollars worth of weapons and bombs for Israel to carry out its offensive in Gaza, which many experts describe as a genocide.



This is more effective

US Muslim civil rights group denounces Republican’s call to ‘carpet bomb’ Gaza

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said that comments made by Matt Brooks, the CEO of the Republican Jewish Coalition, were “apparent support for the genocidal idea of carpet-bombing Gaza”, which spoke “volumes about the systematic, racist dehumanization of the Palestinian people”.

“Genocide is wrong, no matter its victim,” the CAIR national communications director, Ibrahim Hooper, added. “Republican elected officials should renounce this genocidal rhetoric, as well as the Israeli government’s ongoing use of American taxpayer dollars to bomb churches, mosques, hospitals, schools, refugee camps, and innocent men, women and children across Gaza.”

Speaking at the Republican National Convention on Tuesday, Brooks said that he believes Donald Trump will “provide a blank cheque to Israel” to “finish the job quickly” in Gaza if elected.

“If you need to carpet bomb the area, do it. Just get it done. Rip the band-aid off. Finish the job because Hamas needs to be destroyed,” Brooks said.


Now we have CAIR basically fighting for Biden... Two party system is so messed up.



Ryuu96 said:

I will do all that I can to see that President Biden is re-elected. Why? Despite my disagreements with him on particular issues, he has been the most effective president in the modern history of our country and is the strongest candidate to defeat Donald Trump — a demagogue and pathological liar. It’s time to learn a lesson from the progressive and centrist forces in France who, despite profound political differences, came together this week to soundly defeat right-wing extremism.

I strongly disagree with Mr. Biden on the question of U.S. support for Israel’s horrific war against the Palestinian people. The United States should not provide Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing extremist government with another nickel as it continues to create one of the worst humanitarian disasters in modern history.

I strongly disagree with the president’s belief that the Affordable Care Act, as useful as it has been, will ever address America’s health care crisis. Our health care system is broken, dysfunctional and wildly expensive and needs to be replaced with a “Medicare for all” single-payer system. Health care is a human right.

And those are not my only disagreements with Mr. Biden.

But for over two weeks now, the corporate media has obsessively focused on the June presidential debate and the cognitive capabilities of a man who has, perhaps, the most difficult and stressful job in the world. The media has frantically searched for every living human being who no longer supports the president or any neurologist who wants to appear on TV. Unfortunately, too many Democrats have joined that circular firing squad.

Yes. I know: Mr. Biden is old, is prone to gaffes, walks stiffly and had a disastrous debate with Mr. Trump. But this I also know: A presidential election is not an entertainment contest. It does not begin or end with a 90-minute debate.

Enough! Mr. Biden may not be the ideal candidate, but he will be the candidate and should be the candidate. And with an effective campaign that speaks to the needs of working families, he will not only defeat Mr. Trump but beat him badly. It’s time for Democrats to stop the bickering and nit-picking.

I understand that some Democrats get nervous about having to explain the president’s gaffes and misspeaking names. But unlike the Republicans, they do not have to explain away a candidate who now has 34 felony convictions and faces charges that could lead to dozens of additional convictions, who has been hit with a $5 million judgment after he was found liable in a sexual abuse case, who has been involved in more than 4,000 lawsuits, who has repeatedly gone bankrupt and who has told thousands of documented lies and falsehoods.

Supporters of Mr. Biden can speak proudly about a good and decent Democratic president with a record of real accomplishment. The Biden administration, as a result of the American Rescue Plan, helped rebuild the economy during the pandemic far faster than economists thought possible. At a time when people were terrified about the future, the president and those of us who supported him in Congress put Americans back to work, provided cash benefits to desperate parents and protected small businesses, hospitals, schools and child care centers.

After decades of talk about our crumbling roads, bridges and water systems, we put more money into rebuilding America’s infrastructure than ever before — which is projected to create millions of well-paying jobs. And we did not stop there. We made the largest-ever investment in climate action to save the planet. We canceled student debt for nearly five million financially strapped Americans. We cut prices for insulin and asthma inhalers, capped out-of-pocket costs for prescription drugs and got free vaccines to the American people. We battled to defend women’s rights in the face of moves by Trump-appointed jurists to roll back reproductive freedom and deny women the right to control their own bodies.

So, yes, Mr. Biden has a record to run on. A strong record. But he and his supporters should never suggest that what’s been accomplished is sufficient. To win the election, the president must do more than just defend his excellent record. He needs to propose and fight for a bold agenda that speaks to the needs of the vast majority of our people — the working families of this country, the people who have been left behind for far too long.

At a time when the billionaires have never had it so good and when the United States is experiencing virtually unprecedented income and wealth inequality, over 60 percent of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, real weekly wages for the average worker have not risen in over 50 years, 25 percent of seniors live each year on $15,000 or less, we have a higher rate of childhood poverty than almost any other major country, and housing is becoming more and more unaffordable — among other crises.

This is the wealthiest country in the history of the world. We can do better. We must do better. Joe Biden knows that. Donald Trump does not. Joe Biden wants to tax the rich so that we can fund the needs of working families, the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor. Donald Trump wants to cut taxes for the billionaire class. Joe Biden wants to expand Social Security benefits. Donald Trump and his friends want to weaken Social Security. Joe Biden wants to make it easier for workers to form unions and collectively bargain for better wages and benefits. Donald Trump wants to let multinational corporations get away with exploiting workers and ripping off consumers. Joe Biden respects democracy. Donald Trump attacks it.

This election offers a stark choice on issue after issue. If Mr. Biden and his supporters focus on these issues — and refuse to be divided and distracted — the president will rally working families to his side in the industrial Midwest swing states and elsewhere and win the November election. And let me say this as emphatically as I can: For the sake of our kids and future generations, he must win.

Opinion | Bernie Sanders: Joe Biden for President - The New York Times

I have been waiting to see if any political commentator I follow has anything to say about this but it seems the assassination attempt meant this got little attention.

Bernie, sit this one out. The guy is looking and sounding more unfit by the day, no one knows how much of an impact this will have, it might be big enough to lose the dems the elections or it might not. Why take the risk when you can replace him and take "is he too old" out of the equation?

Biden's popularity is overstated, his perfomance in the primaries before Pete and Amy dropped out to consolidate the vote was very telling. Elizabeth Warren staying in the race and splitting the left vote also helped prop Biden up against Bernie and inflated his popularity. Hell, Kamala didn't even go ahead with the primaries from what I remember because she was so unpopular, yet, look at her polls against Trump. Everyone seems to be in agreement that the candidate doesn't matter in the general elections, yet, once the Biden's replacement conversation starts they get cold feet. I don't get where the "Biden is irreplaceable" narrative coming from. 

Moreover, Gaza daily massacres can be an issue the new candidate runs on, make the Republican Party the party of pro-genocide in both, Gaza and Ukraine.

AIPAC has already declared war on the dems so you're not risking losing their support because despite all of Biden's fake red lines, the ultra right ultra religious Israelis are not happy, they want more. What they've done to Jamaal Bowman in broad daylight is an absolute scandal that you can actually make part of the new ad campaign. Put a new candidate, come out against the genocide in Ukraine and Gaza, do the right thing, show how Israel is "interfering with our elections", the republicans are AIPAC's puppets, show the daily images coming out of there and protest it and tell the world this is what Trump would support. You can easily turn this "they're not an America first party". I have seen people on the right disgusted at the level of AIPAC's involvement in their country (apparently, even a "journalist" like Tucker is just finding out what AIPAC does lol). 

This whole "omg so much at stake for our kids and future generations, we are NOT doing everything we can to win, but still vote for us plz lol bye" attitude is such BS. 

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Torillian said:
Ryuu96 said:

Please Please Please Democrats.

Do not make this a contested election.

  • Harris - Cooper
  • Harris - Beshear
  • Harris - Shapiro

Harris - Whitmer?  Think Whitmer would lock up Michigan no problem and she's pretty popular out there iirc. 

Whitmer is a very strong candidate, in fact I think she's an even stronger one than Harris in normal circumstances, having said that and maybe I'm being cynical, but I can't see Americans going for a double woman ticket, I think it would need to be a white moderate guy, it can't be Newsom because he's Californian too, I think Shapiro is the strongest choice but they may not want to put the Governorship of Pennsylvania at risk, Roy Cooper is a strong candidate and outgoing, I also think Dems will lose a little old white male support that Biden has but Cooper may retain some of it by looking like a traditional old-school politician.

Whitmer - Shapiro would be a very strong ticket in the future, Imo.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 18 July 2024

My theory on Bernie and AOC's support is that they know their voice has absolutely zero influence on Biden staying in the race or not but by publicly supporting Biden, they're showing to Biden (and other moderates) they will stick by them when things get tough, if Biden remains in the race (and wins) then he will remember that and be more likely to listen to them (and they will push their policies) or even if Biden steps down, Harris will likely have appreciated their support too.

AOC and Bernie's voice doesn't mean a thing in terms of convincing Biden to step down, but while they show support to the Biden ticket, people like Pelosi, Hakeem and Schumer, with actual power and influence to force Biden off the ticket, can do so, Bernie and AOC don't have much to lose by supporting Biden remaining on the ticket and probably have more to gain by doing so.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 18 July 2024

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SvennoJ said:

Biden needs to step down quickly or get Israel to sign a ceasefire. He's only giving Republicans more fuel with his failures to deal with Netanyahu

Senior US Republican calls floating pier off Gaza a ‘national embarrassment’

Commenting on the closure of the $230m aid pier, Senator Roger Wicker, the top Republican on the US Senate Armed Services Committee, was sharply critical of President Joe Biden.

“This chapter might be over in President Biden’s mind, but the national embarrassment that this project has caused is not,” Wicker said. “The only miracle is that this doomed-from-the-start operation did not cost any American lives.”

“I have been calling for an end to the election-year gimmick since its primetime inception at the State of the Union,” Wicker added. “While I am glad it has finally concluded, we cannot buy back the $230m needlessly spent, and significant questions remain about the Biden administration’s poor planning for this mission.”

Republicans have criticised the pier as a waste of money, and Wicker said the money could have been used on counter-drone interceptors to protect US troops in Iraq and Syria. The senator avoided any Israeli responsibility for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and instead has sought to pin the blame on Hamas. The United Nations and international aid organisations are demanding that Israel allow more access for aid, warning of starvation in the Palestinian enclave.


Bless Bernie, but this sounds so weak

Biden ‘at least believes’ in aid to Gaza: Bernie Sanders

The progressive US senator has been backing the embattled president, who is facing calls to end his re-election bid after a disastrous debate performance last month.

But in an interview with the New Yorker, Sanders acknowledged that many voters are disappointed with Biden and the Democratic Party over their unconditional support for Israel.

Biden said earlier this week that he has done more for Palestinians than anyone else – comments that further stoked outrage amongst Palestinian rights activists. Sanders had a difficult time defending that position when asked about the president’s remarks.

“The president at least believes that we ought to feed starving children in Gaza and get humanitarian aid there,” Sanders said. “You’ve got Republicans who don’t even want humanitarian aid to go in there.”

Biden has authorised billions of dollars worth of weapons and bombs for Israel to carry out its offensive in Gaza, which many experts describe as a genocide.



This is more effective

US Muslim civil rights group denounces Republican’s call to ‘carpet bomb’ Gaza

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said that comments made by Matt Brooks, the CEO of the Republican Jewish Coalition, were “apparent support for the genocidal idea of carpet-bombing Gaza”, which spoke “volumes about the systematic, racist dehumanization of the Palestinian people”.

“Genocide is wrong, no matter its victim,” the CAIR national communications director, Ibrahim Hooper, added. “Republican elected officials should renounce this genocidal rhetoric, as well as the Israeli government’s ongoing use of American taxpayer dollars to bomb churches, mosques, hospitals, schools, refugee camps, and innocent men, women and children across Gaza.”

Speaking at the Republican National Convention on Tuesday, Brooks said that he believes Donald Trump will “provide a blank cheque to Israel” to “finish the job quickly” in Gaza if elected.

“If you need to carpet bomb the area, do it. Just get it done. Rip the band-aid off. Finish the job because Hamas needs to be destroyed,” Brooks said.


Now we have CAIR basically fighting for Biden... Two party system is so messed up.

I am going to give you a hint.  No matter who becomes president its not going to be a favorable outcome.



Machiavellian said:

I am going to give you a hint.  No matter who becomes president its not going to be a favorable outcome.

Oh I'm well aware.

It's a choice between a slower genocide and a faster one including annexation of the West Bank.
Between a slightly hesitant puppet and one that idolizes the puppet master.

It's up to Europe and the Global South to step up as Netanyahu and Aipac have the USA by their rapidly shrinking balls.

The USA doesn't care about international law. The US still hasn't paid reparations to Nicuragua as ordered by the ICJ in 1986 instead the USA withdrew from the ICJ in 1985 when they saw an unfavorable outcome coming. And again or rather further under Trump "The Trump administration on Wednesday pulled out of two international agreements after Iran and the Palestinians complained to the International Court of Justice about U.S. policies, the latest withdrawal by Washington from multilateral accords."

And yes Harris is just a slightly more hesitant puppet than Biden.


Maybe Trump in office will quicken the demise of the US as a disruptive world power and healing can start a bit sooner.



I love the United States but with everything going on it looks like the US might be over taken by other countries in the next decade. 

SvennoJ said:
Machiavellian said:

I am going to give you a hint.  No matter who becomes president its not going to be a favorable outcome.

Oh I'm well aware.

It's a choice between a slower genocide and a faster one including annexation of the West Bank.
Between a slightly hesitant puppet and one that idolizes the puppet master.

It's up to Europe and the Global South to step up as Netanyahu and Aipac have the USA by their rapidly shrinking balls.

The USA doesn't care about international law. The US still hasn't paid reparations to Nicuragua as ordered by the ICJ in 1986 instead the USA withdrew from the ICJ in 1985 when they saw an unfavorable outcome coming. And again or rather further under Trump "The Trump administration on Wednesday pulled out of two international agreements after Iran and the Palestinians complained to the International Court of Justice about U.S. policies, the latest withdrawal by Washington from multilateral accords."

And yes Harris is just a slightly more hesitant puppet than Biden.


Maybe Trump in office will quicken the demise of the US as a disruptive world power and healing can start a bit sooner.



BiON!@ 

"When Elon Musk came to the White House asking me for help on all of his many subsidized projects, whether it's electric cars that don't drive long enough, driverless cars that crash, or rocketships to nowhere, without which subsidies he'd be worthless, and telling me how he was a big Trump fan and Republican, I could have said, 'drop to your knees and beg,' and he would have done it,"