Ok. I'll bite. Just this part though.

Trump was not the one that normalized extremism. If you are looking for the gateway to extremism, then blame the media. For 8 years, they have called Trump a fascist, likened him to Hitler himself, while constantly saying that he is "an existential threat to democracy™". Him calling someone funny names is not even comparable to constantly marking someone as an actual existential threat to all people's lives. The media was setting this up for someone who thinks they have a righteous indignation to take matters with their own hands and become the "hero" that democracy™ needs. If you need another example of media being instigators, look up Nick Sandmann incident.

Right now, people shouldn't rest easy. In an earthquake, there are aftershocks. I'm expecting the worse to come because the media, and society at hand, had years to cultivate such extremist mindset. I really wish this country the very best but I've long detached myself from things that are out of my control. If this country fully embraces the fringe left's divisive ideology, then so be it. It's shameful that I took an oath for American citizenship, but I've been so heavily disillusioned and just don't want to deal with its politics. I'mma just save up money till I have enough to live in my third world shithole. It might be a shithole, but at least it's a shithole where I have no expectations.

You are joking right?
Trump -did- factually normalize extremism... I have provided the evidence on this prior.

As for the media... There are tons of media outlets that support Trump and the conservative agenda, the bias angle was weaponized by Donald Trump to undermine his opponents that may actually be reporting genuine facts that are supported by evidence.
It's a bullshit argument at best... As this chart showcases to a small degree.


The New York Sun, The Wall Street Journal, Fox news, National Conservatism, NewsMax and more are all conservative outlets that have genuinely and consistently attacked democrats and the left.

And just remember... Conservatives have also consistently and historically called leaders like Biden a "Threat to democracy".
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rfk-jr-says-biden-much-worse-threat-to-democracy-than-trump

You give as good as you get in my eyes.

Trump has consistently threatened others.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/trump-has-threatened-dozens-of-times-to-use-the-government-to-target-political-enemies/

Name calling is just stupid and should not be defended, give as good as you get.

Considering that Trump was chanting "fight" after the shooting, he has already energized his fanbase.. And we saw that already once before when Trump tried to throw out democracy by enabling and asking his fanbase to storm the capital.

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

The left isn't divisive, it's built on being inclusive.

Gays, Lesbians, Trans, African, Asian, Native American, European, Male, Female, Old and Young... The left is literally built on the back on being inclusive and promoting equality and equity.
To assert otherwise showcases that you don't know what being progressive is actually about.

It's conservatives who wish to shut that down and have a more "traditional" and "Old Fashioned" hierarchy that is divisive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

Literally being progressive/left wing is to "seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism".

The only allegiance and oath I have is to protect life, property and the environment... And the borders that encompass a nation is irrelevant to that end.

If more people had that outlook, the world would be a better place in my opinion.

Can we merge the US politics thread with the other one? Essentially, it's a duplicate because everybody is discussing the same things on two different forums.

Kindly, the admin team, if you can look into this.

@LurkerJ I'm looking into that.

I think Pemalite mentioned a lot of strong points, but I just want to add a few.

On the topic of normalizing extremism and violence, he literally told the crowd to punch protestors, and that he would pay the legal fees. This is not normal. Even in an authoritarian dictatorship, they generally at least pretend to be civilized in front of the crowd.

And he 100% turned out to be a threat to democracy.
He did not want to give up his position, called the election rigged (despite every claim of mass voter fraud quickly being debunked, and later thoroughly disproven), claimed that Mike Pence could send back the votes (which he cannot) and told his conspiracy theorist followers to march on the capital and fight like hell.
And to the surprise of no one, they did, while bringing a gallows and chanting "hang Mike Pence".

And they were extremely close in getting to the elected officials.

And to accuse the group that includes people from all walks of life as the devisive ones instead of the group that targets people based on sexuality, gender, ethnicity, etc is ironic. Progressives are not tolerant of the intolerant. And that it seen as 'divisive' by right wingers.

What the hell does illegal immigration have to do with a white American dude shooting at Trump? What does Biden's "cognitive problems" have to do with an assassination attempt? Yes Trump is a fascist and everything about Project 2025 is fascism, I'm sorry that upsets you. All you people always acting like MAGA haven't been both enforcing and wishing violence for the past 8 years are living in a fantasy world, I'll just repost what I posted a few weeks back because I can't be arsed to write up a new version.

What about the violence from the MAGA cult on January 6th where they tried to overthrow their own damn government and resulted in actual deaths? How about the GOP Candidate Who Called for Obama’s Execution or Oklahoma GOP Candidate Who Called Killing Gay People ‘Totally Just’ or Florida State Republican Lawmaker Calling For All Palestinians To Die or Ex-GOP Gov Candidate Calling For ‘Firing Squad’ For Transgender Allies or Texas GOP Proposing Potential Death Penalty for Women Who Get Abortions or Republican State Senator Calling LGBTQ+ People 'Filth' When Asked About Death of Nonbinary Student or Trump, Paul Gosar Suggesting Gen. Mark Milley Deserves Death or GOP Rep Supports Foreign Law That Allows Death Penalty for Being Gay or GOP Candidate Calling For Garland's Death or Trump Supporters Calling For Riots and Violent Retribution After Verdict or Republican Senator Suggesting Peaceful Protesters Would Be Thrown Off Bridge in Home State or Kari Lake Encouraging Supporters to Strap 'On a Glock' For 2024 or Rep. Paul Gosar Posting a Video Depicting Violence Against Ocasio Cortez and Biden or Trump Not Ruling Out Political Violence If He Loses, Saying He Would Consider Pardoning All The Jan 6th Violent Thugs or North Carolina GOP Gov Nominee Mark Robinson Endorsing Political Violence or Project 2025 Architect Signalling Bloodshed If Left Opposes Them

Lets not forget demonising LGBTQ+ and ripping away peoples humans rights (women) but now you're *ShockedPikachu* that violence happens.

JFC...You're all the same.

In the past few months I've debated with many people like yourself in politics and they start off by posting some inflammatory nonsense and when called out on it they respond with either a variation of "Lul I ain't reading that, too long" or "Just my opinion bro, so intolerant" or "I don't debate in this section because I'm better than everyone else" 

Then please stop wasting our fucking time.

FYI.

Shooter was a registered Republican wearing a pro gun t-shirt and used a rifle that Biden wanted to ban.

Maybe Republicans can finally agree on some actual proper gun laws?

Oh and a general PSA, but don't make hit-and-run comments like this instead of explaining your position.
Which is in the rules:

There's been a few people doing this lately where they don't want to explain themselves, and leave everyone hanging.
If you're not willing to do so, then do not post in the first place. Because then you are causing problems/wasting other people's time.

Doing this after being warned will result in losing posting priveledges in the scetion the infraction occured.

I do admit I overreacted a little yesterday in light of the news that he's a registered Republican and pro-gun nut.

But we still don't know his motives.

Even if it's Republican infighting, your typical nutjob or one of Nick Fuente's insane fuckers, that image is bad for Biden. This isn't making any Democrat switch to Republican or any MAGA switch to Democrat but the independents on the fence who don't give a shit about Trump's horrible rhetoric may be swayed by that image of a "strong" man surviving an assassination attempt and Biden is already down in polls.

What I'll say though...Easy access to guns and awful mental health support, wouldn't surprise me if the dude has no political statement.

This twat has possibly screwed so many Americans, Europe and Ukraine over.

Also the media have treated Trump with kids gloves, Christ if this is what makes some people upset I'd hate to see how they'd react if the media actually ragged on Trump as much as they do Biden's age, they'd have an absolute meltdown.

It's my honest opinion that the billionaire owners want Trump back because he's good for clicks and ratings.

Fucking LOL.