@The -pi-guy

I understand your point of view and see where you’re coming from, but you’re also proving the point I was making.

Just to be sure, what I will say is not an attack or a critique. I don’t know you personally and I will never assume anything about who you are or what you’re thinking. So please, read the next thing as an example of wrong perceptions on the subject at hand.

From an outside perspective, your involvement in this thread is pretty much in reaction to some answers or comment that you feel are offensive or might cause offense. And since you’re a MOD and also present a personal opinion that leans in a specific way on the topic, it’s easy for anyone not agreeing with you or being neutral on subject, to fear a lack of impartiality if the banner hammer is coming. Who’s to say that what I’m saying right now won’t be interpreted as negative and should be sanctioned ? 

This is what can be interpreted from an outside perspective from the OP and the wording used. And if you want, as a team, do the proper thing, the OP needs to be reworded. You can take a stance, but still be neutral in you presentation to avoid a reaction that could have been avoid.

Which is also part of the problem: actions causes reactions. And said reactions can be more extreme than the actual action.

There’s a need for a conversation about that, but it’s almost impossible today because everyone can be flagged negatively for one thing, and who’s to say that being flagged as something is not what push people in being that something?

Plenty of groups throughout history and in different cultures have been considered being worth less than others. Jews, black people, women.

Nazi Germany also killed gay people. Women weren't even allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia until just 5 years ago. 

None of these things have been universally accepted. 

We are still going to say that bullying certain groups isn't going to be tolerated, regardless of the universality of that position. 

Which is exactly right bullying other groups, harassing people, throwing insults and being abusive to people is wrong no matter their beliefs or the way they choose to life.

Being tolerant means loving and respecting people regardless of their beliefs.

Demanding people believe certain things is wrong and stickied posts from the mod team should not be condemning the beliefs of someone and seemingly a large group of this sites userbase and treating the mod teams own view point as the morally superior and only correct point of view.

Harassing and bullying trans people is wrong. Insulting and attacking someone verbally or physically because they are trans is wrong. But that is where it should end.

If you’re interested, here’s an article I came across in a different site that goes into more depth on the matter. The writer of the article is trans but the article is more nuanced than majority I’ve seen on the matter.

https://www.escapistmagazine.com/explaining-the-j-k-rowling-controversy-surrounding-hogwarts-legacy/

To be clear, not my own thoughts just something I thought to link. From boycotters posting spoilers on youtube to the hateful comments I’ve seen on the Steam forums, I’m sick of how toxic the discussion of this game has become.

Don't know much about the trans issue and don't have any interest in it, I just read wikipedia and it says this:

A 2021 literature review concluded that for trans women, even with testosterone suppression, "the data show that strength, lean body mass, muscle size and bone density are only trivially affected. The reductions observed in muscle mass, size, and strength are very small compared to the baseline differences between males and females in these variables, and thus, there are major performance and safety implications in sports where these attributes are competitively significant."[80] After 24 months of testosterone suppression, bone mass is generally preserved. The review states that no study has reported muscle loss greater than 12% with testosterone suppression even after three years of hormone therapy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports

A moderater said otherwise

Who cares? Most normal people find the trans agenda abhorrent. Seems like a group of radical cultural Marxists pushing degenerate nonsense have taken over what was once a great forum with open and intelligent discussion. What a clown show this has become.

MOD NOTE: User was banned for this post (2 weeks). Reason: Transphobia.

The whole deal of boycotting this game is largely kind of missing a larger picture that surrounds the industry. The Saudi Kingdom (and the CCP for that matter) commits far more terrible crimes against marginalized groups than JK Rowling does. The Saudi Kingdom gets a part of the profits made by Nintendo, Capcom and Actibliz to name a few.

Not wanting to fund JK Rowling, because of LGBQT rights is all good and well. Bullying/harassing people who do like Girlfriend reviews is not. Taking issue with only this game, but not with games funding the Saudi Kingdom or another corrupt person/regime just makes you a hypocrite imo.

As for my take on trans and the whole LBQT as a whole live and let live. Don't go out of your way to harass/hurt people. If you are trans and want to express yourself, fine by me it's a basic human right after all. Playing and enjoying a videogame that doesn't break any laws however is also a right people have.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a--Cc3Kd_kE

This sums it up pretty well, fun fact JK Rowling also has contacts with the big N. Enjoy boycotting all revenue streams of JK Rowling.

the "team" could also have sticked with do not flame

Until not long ago, most people thought homosexuality should be illegal and slavery to be cool. Humans have been and still are savages animals in many parts of the world. "I want everyone to have as much freedom and as many rights as I do" is a much better and much simpler compass to follow. 

Trans' issues seem to be full of nuances that "most people" don't want to take the time to understand, and this doesn't make transphobia acceptable. 

Seems if religion is being pushed in American public schools... Then obviously scientific fact and evidence-based approaches is taking a backseat anyway.

Nothing wrong with home schooling.

What we-the Admin team are trying to accomplish is to put a stop with people judging others in a negative fashion based on what reproductive organs they may or may not posses. - It's not yours, it's not our business... We don't have the right to judge someone based on that, that shit is private and exclusive to the individual, so mind your business.


And no, we are not forcing people to think a certain way, we are trying to stop people attacking a community of living, breathing, amazing, people... Just because another group feel the need to be cunts about it.

When a discussion turns from being positive and constructive, to negative and destructive, with people openly attacking innocent trans people, then yes, that conversation absolutely must be shut down.


The topic itself is actually irrelevant, if people were on a constant, negative tirade against another group of people, then we would also shut that down.


The goal is to stop people from being assholes, we have a duty of care as forum staff to try and make conversations as cohesive and free-flowing as possible in a positive and constructive fashion.


So no. It's not cancel culture, wokeism or whatever other word you want to associate with it, we are just trying to stop people from being dickheads... Having a whinge because -you- can no longer attack another demographic is just bullshit and you know it.

Debate is perfectly fine, people just overstepped the line.

Apologies for some of my wording, my Australian is in full swing on this topic this morning, it seems.