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For or against the acquisition?

For 58 41.43%
 
Against 54 38.57%
 
Neutral 28 20.00%
 
Total:140

BasilZero said:

None of these companies are good at making/managing games or development of games (or in the case Valve as of recent), they are great with their initial services (Google with Gmail/Google and Android OS, Amazon with their ecommerce site and AWS and Valve with Steam) but horrible with everything else they do outside of those aspects.

It's not like I find Microsoft any good making games either, but the point is an acquisition by another FAANG would keep Blizzard as a third party company with minimum changes in their core business, if any change at all

It's like when a Holding buy a company of a segment they don't have any expertise, they don't make deep changes in the business structure. 

And Google is an actually very good company and have a very good History of succeeding in many technology fields. They just don't care enough for gaming to spend more effort on it I guess, there is not enough money on the market for them to really bother, likewise Google do not find gaming an interesting enterprise from a technical and scientific point of view to really try. 



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IcaroRibeiro said:

BasilZero said:

None of these companies are good at making/managing games or development of games (or in the case Valve as of recent), they are great with their initial services (Google with Gmail/Google and Android OS, Amazon with their ecommerce site and AWS and Valve with Steam) but horrible with everything else they do outside of those aspects.

It's not like I find Microsoft any good making games either, but the point is an acquisition by another FAANG would keep Blizzard as a third party company with minimum changes in their core business, if any change at all

It's like when a Holding buy a company of a segment they don't have any expertise, they don't make deep changes in the business structure. 

And Google is an actually very good company and have a very good History of succeeding in many technology fields. They just don't care enough for gaming to spend more effort on it I guess, there is not enough money on the market for them to really bother, likewise Google do not find gaming an interesting enterprise from a technical and scientific point of view to really try. 

Yes lets have google buy them



zero129 said:
Farsala said:

I suppose I overestimated Valve's value since they made a console. They definitely couldn't afford ABK.

But otherwise I think their studios have not been shuttered, and their games haven't been complete flops like some of MS game studios.

All Google/ Amazon would need to do is support game development/innovation and clean up the corporate culture. Otherwise they wouldn't need to have a big hand in the day to day operations.

Care to explain what games recently from Ms have been complete flops?. And like i said so your ok with any other big tech making this deal as long as it isnt Sonys direct competitor?.

I'm confused why are keep making this question over and over 

MS being the direct Sony competitor is the only reason why there is debate about Blizzard upcoming acquisition 

Nobody would care if it was just a billionaire saudi using their money to buy another piece of a market they don't have presence yet

That's the same question that arrives when Disney buys Fox, because they are from the same market. As someone who uses box office and cinema forums and boards the discussions used to be just as strong as here, although the consensus was the acquisition was not good and it would be better if Fox was still independent



Farsala said:

I suppose I overestimated Valve's value since they made a console. They definitely couldn't afford ABK.

But otherwise I think their studios have not been shuttered, and their games haven't been complete flops like some of MS game studios.

All Google/ Amazon would need to do is support game development/innovation and clean up the corporate culture. Otherwise they wouldn't need to have a big hand in the day to day operations.

Steam Deck's barely a blip compared to the main big 3 consoles.

I'm not gonna get into whether or not if they can afford ABK because I dont follow financials for any company.

But to say Valve's games or game development havent been flops is hilarious.



Aside from Counter-Strike, Portal, Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress and Half-Life which had all their peaks during the 2000s and early 2010s - Valve's track record when it comes to game development is as shoddy as Amazon or Google's

Artifact was a total failure to the point where further development was ceased in 2021.

Prior to that they had DOTA2 which has been overshadowed by LoL and isnt as big as it used to be in the 2010s due to the rise in popularity to other MP games that came out in recent years.

Their last wide spread release of a game success was Counter-Strike GO and that was back in 2012.

Half-Life Alyx is their latest game release but its stuck to VR and due to that its not as popular as the games they made in the past.

All they've been doing lately is making tech demos and re-releases like Portal Companion collection.

Game development is not their main focus anymore - its providing a great service (Steam) and creating expansions to that service (SteamVR, Steam Deck, SteamOS/Linux support, etc) and due to that, neither Nintendo, MS, Sony, or EGS/EA/Ubisoft/etc comes close to providing as good of a service.

Google and Amazon did what you mention and it didnt provide them any success which is why we are seeing stuff like this: https://blog.google/products/stadia/message-on-stadia-streaming-strategy/

Like how can you say Google when stuff like this happens

"Google did not respond to multiple requests for comment about how it plans to compensate developers or handle obsolete releases. The company instead directed WIRED to blog posts released at the time of the announcement addressing customer concerns. Many developers are still in the dark as they wait to hear from the company directly. Developers behind titles that were once Stadia exclusives, like PixelJunk Raiders, are now searching for new publishers to keep their games from total extinction. Tequila Works, another developer with a once exclusive title, announced just this week it would bring its game Gylt to other platforms."

https://www.wired.com/story/google-stadia-lost-games/


"Otherwise they wouldnt need a big hand in day to day operations"

Oh dont worry, they got you covered on that already.

Last edited by BasilZero - on 17 December 2022

zero129 said:
Farsala said:

I suppose I overestimated Valve's value since they made a console. They definitely couldn't afford ABK.

But otherwise I think their studios have not been shuttered, and their games haven't been complete flops like some of MS game studios.

All Google/ Amazon would need to do is support game development/innovation and clean up the corporate culture. Otherwise they wouldn't need to have a big hand in the day to day operations.

Care to explain what games recently from Ms have been complete flops?. And like i said so your ok with any other big tech making this deal as long as it isnt Sonys direct competitor?.

Last gen MS cancelled over 10 games including highly publicized games like Scalebound and Fable.

I will state for the third time, I am against any big company making this deal or any other consolidation deal.



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BasilZero said:
Farsala said:

I suppose I overestimated Valve's value since they made a console. They definitely couldn't afford ABK.

But otherwise I think their studios have not been shuttered, and their games haven't been complete flops like some of MS game studios.

All Google/ Amazon would need to do is support game development/innovation and clean up the corporate culture. Otherwise they wouldn't need to have a big hand in the day to day operations.

Steam Deck's barely a blip compared to the main big 3 consoles.

I'm not gonna get into whether or not if they can afford ABK because I dont follow financials for any company.

But to say Valve's games or game development havent been flops is hilarious.



Aside from Counter-Strike, Portal, Left 4 Dead, Team Fortress and Half-Life which had all their peaks during the 2000s and early 2010s - Valve's track record when it comes to game development is as shoddy as Amazon or Google's

Artifact was a total failure to the point where further development was ceased in 2021.

Prior to that they had DOTA2 which has been overshadowed by LoL and isnt as big as it used to be in the 2010s due to the rise in popularity to other MP games that came out in recent years.

Their last wide spread release of a game success was Counter-Strike GO and that was back in 2012.

Half-Life Alyx is their latest game release but its stuck to VR and due to that its not as popular as the games they made in the past.

All they've been doing lately is making tech demos and re-releases like Portal Companion collection.

Game development is not their main focus anymore - its providing a great service (Steam) and creating expansions to that service (SteamVR, Steam Deck, SteamOS/Linux support, etc) and due to that, neither Nintendo, MS, Sony, or EGS/EA/Ubisoft/etc comes close to providing as good of a service.

Google and Amazon did what you mention and it didnt provide them any success which is why we are seeing stuff like this: https://blog.google/products/stadia/message-on-stadia-streaming-strategy/

Like how can you say Google when stuff like this happens

"Google did not respond to multiple requests for comment about how it plans to compensate developers or handle obsolete releases. The company instead directed WIRED to blog posts released at the time of the announcement addressing customer concerns. Many developers are still in the dark as they wait to hear from the company directly. Developers behind titles that were once Stadia exclusives, like PixelJunk Raiders, are now searching for new publishers to keep their games from total extinction. Tequila Works, another developer with a once exclusive title, announced just this week it would bring its game Gylt to other platforms."

https://www.wired.com/story/google-stadia-lost-games/


"Otherwise they wouldnt need a big hand in day to day operations"

Oh dont worry, they got you covered on that already.

Google Stadia was their own thing, built from the ground up. They certainly failed, but I believe they can still succeed with a decent footing.

Acquiring ABK would be acquiring talent that is already successful. MS apparently doesn't intend to change much with ABK other than the culture change, and I think Google could easily do the same.



IcaroRibeiro said:
zero129 said:

Care to explain what games recently from Ms have been complete flops?. And like i said so your ok with any other big tech making this deal as long as it isnt Sonys direct competitor?.

I'm confused why are keep making this question over and over 

MS being the direct Sony competitor is the only reason why there is debate about Blizzard upcoming acquisition 

Nobody would care if it was just a billionaire saudi using their money to buy another piece of a market they don't have presence yet

That's the same question that arrives when Disney buys Fox, because they are from the same market. As someone who uses box office and cinema forums and boards the discussions used to be just as strong as here, although the consensus was the acquisition was not good and it would be better if Fox was still independent

@SegaHeart would care lol.



 

 

IcaroRibeiro said:

It's not like I find Microsoft any good making games either, but the point is an acquisition by another FAANG would keep Blizzard as a third party company with minimum changes in their core business, if any change at all

It's like when a Holding buy a company of a segment they don't have any expertise, they don't make deep changes in the business structure. 

And Google is an actually very good company and have a very good History of succeeding in many technology fields. They just don't care enough for gaming to spend more effort on it I guess, there is not enough money on the market for them to really bother, likewise Google do not find gaming an interesting enterprise from a technical and scientific point of view to really try. 


Microsoft (although not as well as Nintendo or Sony) imo is better at making and managing games than Google or Amazon - especially with Gamepass and xcloud and IPs such as Gears of War, Halo and Forza.

Thats more than what Google or Amazon have done lol.

With Google axing pretty much their entire gaming division in about 2 years especially. Amazon's gonna fall suit as well soon.


Google has a history of killing all sorts of services, I wouldnt consider them a good candidate at all especially with the history they have: https://killedbygoogle.com/

Cobretti2 said:

@SegaHeart would care lol.

You mean CaptainExplosion



I want to go through, as a Nintendo gamer, because somehow it seems like that is the best way to ensure titles are released on my systems of preference. Also because Bobby Kottick is kind of terrible and should be pushed out.



The Democratic Nintendo fan....is that a paradox? I'm fond of one of the more conservative companies in the industry, but I vote Liberally and view myself that way 90% of the time?

Farsala said:
zero129 said:

Care to explain what games recently from Ms have been complete flops?. And like i said so your ok with any other big tech making this deal as long as it isnt Sonys direct competitor?.

Last gen MS cancelled over 10 games including highly publicized games like Scalebound and Fable.

I will state for the third time, I am against any big company making this deal or any other consolidation deal.

What? Fable is still coming. Only big game that was canceled and was not MS problem was Scalebound. It was too much for the dev they even said so in an interview that they would love to work with MS again. And i guess Sony has never canceled any games right?.