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Ryuu96 said:

I don't think AI will completely collapse but I have said before it will deflate somewhat, there's a difference between something being a big change and bringing in a lot of money and what Satya/OpenAI describe it as, it's like if NASA promised to reach Mars but only landed people on the Moon, it's still a great accomplishment but far from what was promised.

When investors start to realise that they're not getting what was promised out of AI they will pullback and that's probably when Satya's job will be most at risk, unfortunately knowing Satya, if AI fails to reach his ridiculous promises, he will just take it out on the rest of Microsoft and punish everyone else for his stupid overhype and overpromises.

AGI? We've been hearing about that shit being around the corner for years now and we're still nowhere close, it's AI that does basic shit and even then it still shows how stupid it is a lot of the time and gets basic shit wrong, Satya and OpenAI want us to believe that a real life Cortana is around the corner, it's not, it's nowhere near, I doubt we'll see AGI in my lifetime.

Billions of dollars pumped into an unprofitable thing in the hopes that 10 years from now it will revolutionise the world in every aspect. Admittedly in some aspects it will change things significantly but we're not yet anywhere close to the "next stage" in humanities history like how Microsoft and fucking OpenAI especially talk about things and don't get me started on Sam Altman, the dude seems like a moron and swindler, I don't understand why Microsoft worked so hard to protect him.

You probably should just stop wishing for AI to crash just like people back in the day use to hope the first automobile would crash.  AI is a very disruptive technology just like the first automobile and it will get much much better as time progresses.  If you are not in the field of AI, you really have no clue how close we are to AGI but the thing is when it does flip the switch, you either ahead or in the game or you are not.  Basically what I am saying is that there is going to be a big shift in how a lot of things are done and it probably going to get here way sooner than you think.  MS is very much known for being last to see shifts in the market but then they spend a lot to catch up or try.  MS is betting hard on AI because can they afford to try and play catch up in the past.  Intel is in hot water now because they were late to the game as the markets have changed and now they wished they had entered the GPU/APU markets as well as AI because they have fallen behind significantly from the other players.



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I mean, AI has been used on COD black Ops 6 and it has become the biggest COD game in revenue atleast.

Anyway last few days before the Black Myth wukong is finished.






The idea of AI being "overhyped" is just hilarious to me, because the truth is actually the opposite. I think the average person, who maybe only interacts with some language model/chatbot every now and again has no clue how close we're actually getting to AI fundamentally altering everyday life for most people. The things you can already do with AI Agents right now is super impressive, and the technology is only going to keep getting exponentially better with the amount of investment that's being poured into it now. Like we've only just barely tapped into the realm of the truly complex. A decade from now, almost every business on earth will be heavily reliant on AI in some way shape or form, or that business will be dead. And that's completely separate and apart from whether we see a true AGI. Maybe we get there in our lifetime, maybe we don't, but that's not even necessary. We're going to have so many specialized AI that are so much better than people at the tasks/jobs they're trained in. It's inevitable at this point, whether we like it or not.



Yeah AI is only "overhyped" if you think of it exclusively as a chatbot like ChatGPT. There's a LOT of different forms of AI. Hell, AI in gaming has been a thing for decades lol. Whether it's a chatbot, computing, hardware based, or software based, there's a lot of different areas that AI can, and will, effect.



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I feel like I'm debating with a bunch of people who have stock in AI companies or a vested interest in marketing it, Lol. I know you don't, but that's what it feels like, not once have I said that AI will crash and burn into nothing, I have repeatedly said I take a more middle-ground approach, what I take issue with is the extreme levels of overhype that Microsoft/OpenAI place on AI and especially Sam Altman who has said some utterly fucking delusional shit lately, but it seems it is only okay to take an extreme stance if that extreme stance is "positive" towards AI changing the world and bringing us a AI utopia where Microsoft is going to make hundreds of billions of dollars, Lol.

And as for AGI, I can see very clearly that AI isn't anywhere close to AGI still and it's an impossible stance to argue against "You don't know because you aren't in the field and don't know what ultra mega secrets they're hiding" Lol. By that logic I can't argue against anything because anything can just be said they're hiding secrets that we don't know about. But lets come back to this conversation in 5 years time when we still don't have AGI (unless the goalposts are moved) and Microsoft is still spending tens of billions and making no profits on AI. Unless there's a sudden massive technological leap and for folks who say we have made massive advancements, AI isn't a new thing, it has been around for 40+ years, Lol.

ChatGPT and CoPilot are two other things heavily pushed by Microsoft, ChatGPT makes no money and nobody gives a fuck about CoPilot. AI code is poor for anything complex, it can't replace creatives and it has already practically skimmed the entirety of the internet, there is no more data for it to rip off and trying to teach AI any higher isn't producing much. I'm not sure where this magical AI replacing everyone to perfect results is going to come from when there's not much left for them to learn from.

I've seen plenty of developers who actually use AI make the claims that it is very stupid when it comes to complex tasks. But I'll move on and we'll come back to this conversation in a few years from now because I've been hearing about AI being the next step in human evolution and bringing a Utopia and making everyone billions for years now so I can wait another few years, Lol.

Just don't know why my middle-ground stance is receiving so much pushback and people rushing in to defend Microsoft and OpenAI's stances, not like I ever said AI will amount to nothing, Lol. Just don't think the future is as extremely "beneficial" as Microsoft and OpenAI hope it will be. Some of you sounding like you have stock in Microsoft NGL, Lol.

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Y’all won’t be laughing when AI starts turning off your life support pods and your bodies are used as fuel for the generators running said AI. The idea that truly life changing AI will trickle down and affect any of us pond scum is quite frankly hilarious. True AI will be for the ELITE, the only thing to hope for with AI is you’re dead before the AI subjugate the world 🙂



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Ryuu96 said:

I feel like I'm debating with a bunch of people who have stock in AI companies or a vested interest in marketing it, Lol. I know you don't, but that's what it feels like, not once have I said that AI will crash and burn into nothing, I have repeatedly said I take a more middle-ground approach, what I take issue with is the extreme levels of overhype that Microsoft/OpenAI place on AI and especially Sam Altman who has said some utterly fucking delusional shit lately, but it seems it is only okay to take an extreme stance if that extreme stance is "positive" towards AI changing the world and bringing us a AI utopia where Microsoft is going to make hundreds of billions of dollars, Lol.

And as for AGI, I can see very clearly that AI isn't anywhere close to AGI still and it's an impossible stance to argue against "You don't know because you aren't in the field and don't know what ultra mega secrets they're hiding" Lol. By that logic I can't argue against anything because anything can just be said they're hiding secrets that we don't know about. But lets come back to this conversation in 5 years time when we still don't have AGI (unless the goalposts are moved) and Microsoft is still spending tens of billions and making no profits on AI. Unless there's a sudden massive technological leap and for folks who say we have made massive advancements, AI isn't a new thing, it has been around for 40+ years, Lol.

ChatGPT and CoPilot are two other things heavily pushed by Microsoft, ChatGPT makes no money and nobody gives a fuck about CoPilot. AI code is poor for anything complex, it can't replace creatives and it has already practically skimmed the entirety of the internet, there is no more data for it to rip off and trying to teach AI any higher isn't producing much. I'm not sure where this magical AI replacing everyone to perfect results is going to come from when there's not much left for them to learn from.

I've seen plenty of developers who actually use AI make the claims that it is very stupid when it comes to complex tasks. But I'll move on and we'll come back to this conversation in a few years from now because I've been hearing about AI being the next step in human evolution and bringing a Utopia and making everyone billions for years now so I can wait another few years, Lol.

Just don't know why my middle-ground stance is receiving so much pushback and people rushing in to defend Microsoft and OpenAI's stances, not like I ever said AI will amount to nothing, Lol. Just don't think the future is as extremely "beneficial" as Microsoft and OpenAI hope it will be. Some of you sounding like you have stock in Microsoft NGL, Lol.

I believe its because you continue to call it overhyped but its not.  Technology doesn't stand still and thus today's AI isn't what it's going to be tomorrow.  Yes, AI agents can be great at simple straight forward data and struggle with more complex items but if you believe that is going to remain that way than I have to say you are putting your head in the sand.

No, AI isn't bringing a Utopia, its bringing change and it will be big.  A lot of jobs that depend on a human to take information, analyze it and then do something with it will all go away.  I know this for a fact because the company I use to work for did exactly that.  It wasn't called AI but you can pretty much think of it as such.  All we did was create software that took teams of people to do and made it so it can all be automated.  There are a lot of jobs like that where a human will not be necessary because it can be done way faster with an AI model geared for that industry.  

You are way to wrapped up in ChatGPT AI models because it's a general use AI but the more specialized stuff used in every industry will be way better at those task because they are built specifically for those task.

I am not here to defend MS, I am telling you that everyone sees what is happening, especially people who are working in the field and its coming.  Do not think of one AI to rule them all.  Its going to be a lot of specialized AI models geared towards every industry and it will eliminate a lot of jobs.  Big corporations like MS will always be about the dollars not the people but then again that is the majority of corporations out there.  You either using it or you are getting beat by it.



Ryuu96 said:

I feel like I'm debating with a bunch of people who have stock in AI companies or a vested interest in marketing it, Lol. I know you don't, but that's what it feels like, not once have I said that AI will crash and burn into nothing, I have repeatedly said I take a more middle-ground approach, what I take issue with is the extreme levels of overhype that Microsoft/OpenAI place on AI and especially Sam Altman who has said some utterly fucking delusional shit lately, but it seems it is only okay to take an extreme stance if that extreme stance is "positive" towards AI changing the world and bringing us a AI utopia where Microsoft is going to make hundreds of billions of dollars, Lol.

And as for AGI, I can see very clearly that AI isn't anywhere close to AGI still and it's an impossible stance to argue against "You don't know because you aren't in the field and don't know what ultra mega secrets they're hiding" Lol. By that logic I can't argue against anything because anything can just be said they're hiding secrets that we don't know about. But lets come back to this conversation in 5 years time when we still don't have AGI (unless the goalposts are moved) and Microsoft is still spending tens of billions and making no profits on AI. Unless there's a sudden massive technological leap and for folks who say we have made massive advancements, AI isn't a new thing, it has been around for 40+ years, Lol.

ChatGPT and CoPilot are two other things heavily pushed by Microsoft, ChatGPT makes no money and nobody gives a fuck about CoPilot. AI code is poor for anything complex, it can't replace creatives and it has already practically skimmed the entirety of the internet, there is no more data for it to rip off and trying to teach AI any higher isn't producing much. I'm not sure where this magical AI replacing everyone to perfect results is going to come from when there's not much left for them to learn from.

I've seen plenty of developers who actually use AI make the claims that it is very stupid when it comes to complex tasks. But I'll move on and we'll come back to this conversation in a few years from now because I've been hearing about AI being the next step in human evolution and bringing a Utopia and making everyone billions for years now so I can wait another few years, Lol.

Just don't know why my middle-ground stance is receiving so much pushback and people rushing in to defend Microsoft and OpenAI's stances, not like I ever said AI will amount to nothing, Lol. Just don't think the future is as extremely "beneficial" as Microsoft and OpenAI hope it will be. Some of you sounding like you have stock in Microsoft NGL, Lol.

You are correct in a lot of ways. That's why the next Step MS is taking is using the AI chips in all future PC hardware and gathering the data-workflows of all employees across the world. They will use this data to further train their AI and replace workers. They are just getting started believe me.



I can definitely understand the optimism around AI. We have made some really crazy progress. I've used it for a lot of different things.  

But I think people are going to be disappointed. Which AI has a long history of periods where there is a lot of optimism, followed by cold periods. 

We have had a lot of exponential growth, but I think we are going to hit a wall. We need a bit more than awesome pattern matching to reach AGI.