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Ryuu96 said: Just even more evidence that no matter what, a huge amount of people will refuse to get an Xbox no matter what, Forza Horizon 5 has barely received much marketing for PS5 yet as well, it's just under 2 months from release and it's dominating the charts, other Xbox exclusives have sold great too like Sea of Thieves and Grounded, the issue was never the games. The $100 edition ranking that high is kind of crazy too, it comes with early access too, early access to a game which released 4 years ago, Lmfao. |
Did the politics went to your head? This post just sounds very emotional. You really think a handfull of games would bring people to xbox series? In some countries Xbox is barely reaching 5% of the console sales and other countries like Brazil you can't buy an xbox series anymore ofcourse people will get a PS5. What would you see as a reason to get an Xbox series instead of an PS5? (Or switch 2). I find it a bit sad to see some in the forza community migrating to PS5 and its ecosystem so they also can enjoy GT.
konnichiwa said:
Did the politics went to your head? This post just sounds very emotional. You really think a handfull of games would bring people to xbox series? In some countries Xbox is barely reaching 5% of the console sales and other countries like Brazil you can't buy an xbox series anymore ofcourse people will get a PS5. What would you see as a reason to get an Xbox series instead of an PS5? (Or switch 2). I find it a bit sad to see some in the forza community migrating to PS5 and its ecosystem so they also can enjoy GT. |
When I wrote that post I wasn't emotional at all, I'm not sure how my post even reads as emotional, I think it has been established already that I don't care about them going multiplatform. Your response meanwhile sounds very combative with the whole "did the politics went to your head" which I can only assume is a reference to my posts in Ukraine/US Politics threads, thus I am not even going to bother debating the topic with you.
I'm sure nobody wants us dragging politics into this thread either.
Last edited by Ryuu96 - 2 days agoRyuu96 said:
When I wrote that post I wasn't emotional at all, I'm not sure how my post even reads as emotional, I think it has been established already that I don't care about them going multiplatform. Your response meanwhile sounds very combative with the whole "did the politics went to your head" which I can only assume is a reference to my posts in Ukraine/US Politics threads, thus I am not even going to bother debating the topic with you. I'm sure nobody wants us dragging politics into this thread either. |
It wasn't a dig at all and I just saw your name pop up in the last posted hot topic threads. I just find your evidence weird.
Yakuza games were popular on PS years before one released on Xbox and it seems to be the case many enjoy/buy it now on Xbox while they would never have bothered to get a PS4/5 just for that franchise... Similar with PS owners and Forza...
konnichiwa said:
It wasn't a dig at all and I just saw your name pop up in the last posted hot topic threads. I just find your evidence weird. |
Why'd you come at me so combative only to agree with what I'm saying?
Ryuu96 said:
Why'd you come at me so combative only to agree with what I'm saying? |
We are on the internet so it seems very combatative, but I am just tired of the 'whatever xbox does people will hate it or don't want a xbox' and your post seemed to be indicated as evidence for that narrative.
konnichiwa said:
We are on the internet so it seems very combatative, but I am just tired of the 'whatever xbox does people will hate it or don't want a xbox' and your post seemed to be indicated as evidence for that narrative. |
But then you went on to say exactly what I said, Lol.
It's not about hate, it may not even be about wanting an Xbox, it is simply pointing out that there's millions of gamers who are firmly rooted in their platforms and for various reasons won't buy another platform no matter how many exclusives it receives, however once those games come over to their platform, they will buy it in large numbers.
It's consumer habit, they don't want to start fresh elsewhere, they don't want to spend hundreds of dollars for a few titles they're interested in, they don't have a lack of games to play on their own platform, the opposite platform gets some great exclusives that they may want, but then they go and play the dozens of games that the platform they're on is already receiving and move on.
Point being the issue was never the games, I can assure you they'll be dozens of Xbox IP which sell millions on PlayStation and many of those will be new users to the franchises. Nobody is able to give me a number of how many great exclusives a platform must have to then start moving consoles in large numbers, is it 10? Is it 20? Is it 30? Does it matter? Who knows. We already have 3 examples for Xbox of former exclusives doing great on PlayStation and they'll be many more, how many will it take to show that the games were never the issue?
Instead of trying to force them to you, who knows how long that would take, how many billions down the drain, how many IPs will suffer because of it, it is instead better to simply go where the players are and ultimately, Xbox had to take this route because they're the weaker platforms, that's the facts of the matter, PlayStation doesn't need to, Xbox does.
So all I meant by my comment is that, there's a lot of PS Gamers who will never buy an Xbox console but will buy a lot of the former Xbox exclusives, as we keep on seeing, a bit like how a huge portion of PC Gamers refuse to use EGS no matter what exclusives it received, Lol. Consumer habits are hard to change and people nowadays want the content to come to them.
If you disagree with that, then fine, we will agree to disagree because I can't be arsed to debate this, but I was never emotional, Lol.
konnichiwa said:
We are on the internet so it seems very combatative, but I am just tired of the 'whatever xbox does people will hate it or don't want a xbox' and your post seemed to be indicated as evidence for that narrative. |
I think it is more about people who will never change for some good reason; nothing to do with hate. (I mean of course there is some hate, esp. the console wars kids).
One thing people really underestimate (and esp. those in this "console war" thing), is that Sony got a HUGE chunk of the market with the Play Station 4 (for good reasons); and now those people will need a LOT to switch to Xbox. No matter what Microsoft comes up with, it will need to enough to justify abandoning all their investment and game library behind. This is mostly why Xbox did not manage to do anything this generation.
Microsoft has the games, but the "Internet" as you mention it, is 70%+ in favor of Sony because, well, they have a Play Station... Like it or not; that's a fact.
Most are not even looking at what is available on Xbox probably... And most just listen to "influencers" that are actually going to promote whatever Sony is coming up with anyway.
Sony is probably the most anti-consumer of the three, but still, people will support them and let them do everything because they are now invested, and the cost of switching to Xbox, even if the value is better (and the games are there, too), is simply not worth it.
Look at Apple...
Seeing the top 10 most played games on each platform every month will also tell you how little exclusives matter the way they did 10+ years ago. Everyone is going multiplat now in one way or another.
It's now become more about what platform your friends are playing on, the amount of achievements/platinum's you've unlocked, how big of a digital library you have on *x* platform.
You're not going to convince someone who has 100 Platinums, 100+ digital game purchases, and 100 friends on PlayStation to move over to Xbox the way many PS2 users switched to the 360 in the 7th gen. After the 7th gen, everything you've built up is now embedded on the platform that you've primarily played on for the past decade. While some will buy multiple consoles, the majority of the gaming landscape can't afford to buy more than one console, and the data points to those who do have a console, are most likely spending the overwhelming majority of their time and money on one of the big live service games.
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G2ThaUNiT said: Seeing the top 10 most played games on each platform every month will also tell you how little exclusives matter the way they did 10+ years ago. Everyone is going multiplat now in one way or another. |
Today it's pretty much about the ecosystem, rather than what system has the most doodads or it's specs (those days are pretty much gone by now).
This is why MS didn't topple Steam, or why Epic still cannot do so, no matter how much exclusivity cash they throw at any given publisher/dev, people like me are simply going to stick with what we have spent years investing in, because it makes logical sense for me to stick with what already works for me, as well as what I have spent the most money on (I love ESO, but I've invested far, far more money into WoW since 2004, making it by far my fave MMO of all time).
These days, if you're wanting to win people over, it has to be with what your ecosystem offers. It has to offer flexibility, feature-sets, affordability, reach and son on. If you just ignore all those corners, you end up missing a good chunk of customers who want something else they find valuable in an ecosystem.
From my personal experiences with previous consoles, Sony lost me around the PS3 era, when their console was sold at a much higher price point than the basic 360 package, my warranty ran out, so I was SoL. Then Sony took away sideloading Linux support, so what I originally paid for as a feature was thus taken away from me, giving me less value.
With MS I hopped off around the tail end of the 360 gen, and the start of the X1 gen, when Don fucked everything up. I was tired of Windows Store, I was screwed out of money twice from Win 10 store with Minecraft, and wasn't allowed to mod or tinker with Gears Remaster (that I paid for on Win 10 store), and thus was unable to sort out the perf issues the game had. Combine all of that with the previous GFWL taste in my mouth and I just wasn't vested in what MS was offering at that time, so I ended up moving to Steam/GoG and Battlenet full time.
Switch was and will be my last home/handheld console, and my experience with it was lacking in many ways (less games I wanted, poorer image quality and performance lacking, internal drive space being too small, games costing a ton, less discounts, etc), but to cut that short, Nintendo lost me due to lacking value on multiple fronts for me, and thus I see no reason for me to invest in their ecosystem anymore.
All in all, it's not just a "Only Xbox gets the hate/less attention", all 3 lose people here and there. For any of the 3 to ever earn me back, they would honestly have to do everything Steam/GoG do and more, but that won't really happen, because that would involve heavy alterations made to business plans, ignoring margins, and a change in how business is done generally (also if it works and makes money, business usually see no reason to alter their plans for that, which is why none of the 3 have adopted all of Steam/GoG's business models).
Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.