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Your most anticipated upcoming Xbox RPG in 2025?

The Outer Worlds 2 2 12.50%
 
The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion remaster/remake 5 31.25%
 
Fable 6 37.50%
 
Avowed 3 18.75%
 
Total:16

Damn, their argument against the deal is so weak that they have to make up a segment in video games as "high-performance video game consoles". Man, it doesn't get any more hilarious than that.



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Microsoft's own experience with releasing AAA games reflects the cost and time to develop such content. Halo Infinite, a recent title from the Microsoft's first-party Halo franchise, was in production for {REDACTED} years, and cost almost {REDACTED} million. Other AAA games may take even longer to develop. For instance, according to one Microsoft executive {REDACTED}, a forthcoming title from the {REDACTED} franchise, may take a {REDACTED} to develop.

Un-redact that shit. Also, that "title from the ? franchise" has to be Elder Scrolls, Lol.

Microsoft produces its own first-party video game titles. Microsoft has acquired over ten third-party studios and their titles in recent years to expand its offerings. Microsoft has frequently made those acquired titles exclusive to its own consoles and/or subscription services, eliminating the opportunity for consumers to play those titles on rival products or services. By taking games exclusive, Microsoft strengthens the position of its console and subscription service products relative to competitors.

C'mon man, seriously? Lol. Can they not make anything exclusive now?

“Notice is hereby given to the Respondents that the second day of August, 2023, at 10:00 a.m., is hereby fixed as the time, and the Federal Trade Commission offices at 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Room 532, Washington, D.C. 20580, as the place, when and where an evidentiary hearing will be had before an Administrative Law Judge of the Federal Trade Commission, on the charges set forth in this complaint, at which time and place you will have the right under the Federal Trade Commission Act and the Clayton Act to appear and show cause why an order should not be entered requiring you to cease and desist from the violations of law charged in the complaint.”

This whole thing isn't set to start until August 2023. They're definitely either hoping another regulator blocks or delaying it enough to make Microsoft abandon the deal.

I. High-Performance Consoles are a Relevant Product Market

63. High-Performance Consoles are a Relevant Market for evaluating the likely competitive effects of the Proposed Acquisition.

64. The only High-Performance Consoles offered for sale today are the most recent generation of Microsoft Xbox and Sony PlayStation consoles—the Xbox Series X|S and the PS5. The Xbox Series X|S and PS5 are therefore included within the Relevant Market.

65. The third major gaming console available today, the Nintendo Switch, is highly differentiated from the Xbox and PlayStation consoles in significant ways. The Nintendo Switch, therefore, is not included in the Relevant Market.

This is so stupid...Lol. Guess they're ignoring PC as well. Just want to make this about Xbox/PS which plays into Sony's hands.

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Why all the Nintendo hate?

So, Series S is a high performing system now eh?



You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind

Ryuu96 said:
Machiavellian said:

Everything still seems to be working according to plan. FTC looks like they care about big tech. MS has a clear way to show this deal is legit and does no harm to the industry which then allows them to make stronger case in other countries. My estimate that this deal closes without to much fuss. I am giving it an above 90% chance.

Eh, I don't know how you have that confidence, Lol.

Definitely isn't working according to plan, all it takes now is CMA to block the deal and it's dead.

Doesn't really matter if Microsoft makes a stronger case to CMA if they are as politically motivated as FTC is.

CMA is the complete wildcard and regulators blocking deals in history has often convinced others to do the same.

Its working to plan because of the narrative.  CMA is concentrating on COD which is right where MS want that conversation to go.  This FTC lawsuit gives MS a very easy win as their just way to much data they have to refute every claim and come out smelling like a rose.  It also will give them a better position with the CMA in my opinion.  MS could easily give COD a 25 year deal, who really cares if that is what you want.  COD is a easy win as long as the conversation remains on that one IP.

When I look at this, everything is working in a more best case scenarios for MS because from the way I see it, this was always going to go this way.  So if it was going to get this kind of push back, then MS want to be able to control the narrative to improve their chance of landing the deal.  If anything, things are going exactly how a big corporation like MS purchasing a huge deal like ABK would happen. 

The saving grace for MS is that they do not control nothing within the gaming space and with this deal it still will not make them the biggest company in the gaming space.  You cannot say MS will control the market when they are not the market leader.  You cannot say they will cancel games when they are willing to make any concessions.  You cannot say they will control the service space when they are not the biggest service provider, nor do they control the space after this deal.  You cannot say they will institute predator practice since they stop doing that a while ago and their competitor continue to do so with their market lead.  MS is sitting pretty at the moment because there really has not been any real conversation on their true impact at this time.

Last edited by Machiavellian - on 08 December 2022

NobleTeam360 said:

Damn, their argument against the deal is so weak that they have to make up a segment in video games as "high-performance video game consoles". Man, it doesn't get any more hilarious than that.

Next it well be like "we found that MS as a monopoly in the High-performance video game console of 12+TFLOPS" 



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NobleTeam360 said:

Damn, their argument against the deal is so weak that they have to make up a segment in video games as "high-performance video game consoles". Man, it doesn't get any more hilarious than that.

gtotheunit91 said:

Why all the Nintendo hate?

It's either ignorance or simply that they know Nintendo discredits a lot of their arguments so they have to discount them entirely to fit their agenda. It's frankly ridiculous that they're ignoring one of the main competitors in the console industry, the currently best selling one, just to make their arguments make any sense, that feels really shady.

High Performance Video Game Console Market...

Have to ignore PC (Steam) as well.

Wonder what kind of specs Switch 2 will have and if it fits this specific market...Wonder what specs you need to make it into this market, Lol.



This FTC/MS fiasco is more exciting than anything Geoff can drum up.



coolbeans said:

This FTC/MS fiasco is more exciting than anything Geoff can drum up.

Poor Geoff. So many people will be too focused on this drama. It is giving me a headache trying to read it all and keep up with it.



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Ryuu96 said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Damn, their argument against the deal is so weak that they have to make up a segment in video games as "high-performance video game consoles". Man, it doesn't get any more hilarious than that.

gtotheunit91 said:

Why all the Nintendo hate?

It's either ignorance or simply that they know Nintendo discredits a lot of their arguments so they have to discount them entirely to fit their agenda. It's frankly ridiculous that they're ignoring one of the main competitors in the console industry, the currently best selling one, just to make their arguments make any sense, that feels really shady.

High Performance Video Game Console Market...

Have to ignore PC (Steam) as well.

Wonder what kind of specs Switch 2 will have and if it fits this specific market...Wonder what specs you need to make it into this market, Lol.

You would think price point would be a major factor. The OLED Switch is $50 more expensive than Series S and $50 cheaper than the digital PS5. 



You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind

Machiavellian said:
Ryuu96 said:

Eh, I don't know how you have that confidence, Lol.

Definitely isn't working according to plan, all it takes now is CMA to block the deal and it's dead.

Doesn't really matter if Microsoft makes a stronger case to CMA if they are as politically motivated as FTC is.

CMA is the complete wildcard and regulators blocking deals in history has often convinced others to do the same.

Its working to plan because of the narrative.  CMA is concentrating on COD which is right where MS want that conversation to go.  This FTC lawsuit gives MS a very easy win as their just way to much data they have to refute every claim and come out smelling like a rose.  It also will give them a better position with the CMA in my opinion.  MS could easily give COD a 25 year deal, who really cares if that is what you want.  COD is a easy win as long as the conversation remains on that one IP.

When I look at this, everything is working in a more best case scenarios for MS because from the way I see it, this was always going to go this way.  So if it was going to get this kind of push back, then MS want to be able to control the narrative to improve their chance of landing the deal.  If anything, things are going exactly how a big corporation like MS purchasing a huge deal like ABK would happen. 

The saving grace for MS is that they do not control nothing within the gaming space and with this deal it still will not make them the biggest company in the gaming space.  You cannot say MS will control the market when they are not the market leader.  You cannot say they will cancel games when they are willing to make any concessions.  You cannot say they will control the service space when they are not the biggest service provider, nor do they control the space after this deal.  You cannot say they will institute predator practice since they stop doing that a while ago and their competitor continue to do so with their market lead.  MS is sitting pretty at the moment because there really has not been any real conversation on their true impact at this time.

FTC is clearly not planning on going to court anytime soon (August 2023) so their goal seems obvious, either delay it long enough to make Microsoft abandon the deal or push another regulator to block the deal.

I think this puts them in a worse position with CMA, it isn't like CMA benefits from approving the deal, now CMA will know that they hold all the power and they could take down big tech, it will be a very appealing win in their eyes, and once again, if CMA blocks it, there is very little that Microsoft can do, no matter if CMA's arguments are as dumb as FTCs.

I don't think FTC would have done something this risky or stupid if they didn't have reasonable confidence that someone else is going to block as well, that is likely CMA. Sure, the CMA can get a concessional win, but I think the win against big tech is far more appealing, especially for a regulator who have lately been blocking quite a lot and showing off their power.