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VersusEvil said:
Ryuu96 said:

It's an 88 though. Also if it weren't going to get some of the "truly insane reviews" then the score would naturally be up.

Not on Meta :)

Why do you guys focus so much on Meta though? It literally has half the reviews of Opencritic, Lol. Aside from Ice and Spade's bet, I don't know why we're focusing on it so much. 88 is still a brilliant score but most important is what your personal opinion is. We're talking like 88 or even 86-87 is a bad score, it isn't, even with some reviews dragging it down.

I think there are definitely some questionable reviews happening, Jim's recent one for example doesn't feel like it's really about Starfield but other dramas surrounding Bethesda, especially since they gave Fallout 4 a 9.5/10 but then in the Starfield review was basically saying Bethesda's been shit since Fallout 3, Lol. I also think some are loving the drama and clicks this is generating.

I think some reviewers are reviewing it based on what they thought it would be, rather than what it actually is, they're reviewing it based on expecting things that were never promised nor shown and that is causing them some disappointment. I find some complaints a bit opportunistic in the sense of "Starfield isn't as good of an RPG as BG3" when we never saw these complaints about Skyrim despite numerous RPGs being far better "RPG" than it. If we're being honest, Skyrim is an RPG-lite and Starfield is the deepest RPG that Bethesda has put out since Morrowind.

I think there's a huge expectation on Starfield as well thanks to Xbox not having a major AAA exclusive since Halo Infinite, alongside Bethesda having to "make up" for Fallout 76. It's kind of the "cool" thing to mock Bethesda lately. So expectations were sky high and impossible to deliver on for some. Like when IGN said it has to be an 11/10 to basically save Xbox (which is another thing, we're seeing a lot of console wars and journalists complain about the console wars but some journalists like IGN very much feed it).

Starfield definitely has some issues and won't be everyone's cup of tea. But at the very minimum, if it was multiplatform, we wouldn't have this console war nonsense surrounding it. I don't know about bias but some reviewers set it up to fail from the very start (like PC Gamer were trashing it before it had even released or reposting negative Fallout 4 articles days before, Lol or IGN who put ridiculous expectations on its shoulders).

Outside of Starfield's reviews though, I am starting to believe there's an unconscious bias against Xbox from some publications, largely those in the European area, who have grown up primarily around PlayStation so Playstation is their preference. Especially when you see stuff like "Bethesda is niche" Lol or constant double standards against Xbox, anger at Xbox trying to be a stronger competitor, etc.

Even so it's sitting at an 88 and a huge success, so ultimately, who gives a shit?

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 08 September 2023

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VersusEvil said:
shikamaru317 said:

Oh God, this bug is so much worse than I thought. This isn't tied to that Marriage quest at all, it's happening on much older save files. Even if I go back to saves from hours ago, my best ship just isn't loading into the world, I can't fast travel from any of these saves now (even though I was fast traveling before), all I can do is switch to another ship.

Pouring one out for ya, RIP.  Try selling it and buying it back.

Unfortunately, didn't work when I tried it (and I would have lost like 200,000 credits doing that anyway because the ship only sells for like 30k but costs like 230k to buy back). Well rest in Peace Dumas, she was a good ship, I pirated her during the Sam Companion quest from some enemies, she was a B class ship with about 200 more shield HP than my best A class ship, over 2000 cargo capacity compared to 800 on my best A class ship, more reactor power, and some pretty good weapons and engines too. 

I'm scared to try to do the Marry Sam quest now with my 2nd best ship, because that was when this failure to load into the world bug first happened, before that it was letting me fast travel around all over the place, then I married Sam and suddenly couldn't fast travel off-world anymore (even on older save files). Think I'll have to save this marriage for very close to the end of my playthrough now.

Last edited by shikamaru317 - on 08 September 2023

@shikamaru317 Does this work?

"Had the same problem; can confirm, the solution by u/Luxcell worked: I went to a ship technician, made an upgrade (just added a porthole), and my missing ship appeared on the launch pad."



Angelus said:
VersusEvil said:

Probably the same. Game is not a 90+ game imo. 

Hard disagree. This might already be my favorite Bethesda game and I ain't even close to finished with it

It's slightly behind Oblivion so far for me but it has passed Skyrim and New Vegas.

I didn't give Morrowind a chance, Lmao. I played it for like 1 hour, hated the world, hated the look, turned it off and never went back.

But in my defence I was like 10 years old, Lol.



Ryuu96 said:

@shikamaru317 Does this work?

"Had the same problem; can confirm, the solution by u/Luxcell worked: I went to a ship technician, made an upgrade (just added a porthole), and my missing ship appeared on the launch pad."

Well, what do you know, that actually worked unlike all of the other things I tried. What a weird ass bug. Glad to have my best ship back now, though I have lost like an hour and a half trying to fix this and will have to redo the whole wedding quest now.



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shikamaru317 said:
Ryuu96 said:

@shikamaru317 Does this work?

"Had the same problem; can confirm, the solution by u/Luxcell worked: I went to a ship technician, made an upgrade (just added a porthole), and my missing ship appeared on the launch pad."

Well, what do you know, that actually worked unlike all of the other things I tried. What a weird ass bug. Glad to have my best ship back now, though I have lost like an hour and a half trying to fix this and will have to redo the whole wedding quest now.

Oh wow, I wasn't confident it would, it was the first solution that I found, Lmao.

Glad it worked, I lost like 30 minutes investigating the bug



Behind Morrowind for me but I think that’s more because I was more excited for video games back then. It’s ahead of anything else Bethy has done tho.



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ice said:
Spade said:

He's from the UK, he can't gift you shit. smh ryuu

MAN, he can buy murican xbox card or something, he wouldn't LIE to me

But he would let you down: Dying Light 2. 



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Ryuu96 said:
VersusEvil said:

Not on Meta :)

Why do you guys focus so much on Meta though? It literally has half the reviews of Opencritic, Lol. Aside from Ice and Spade's bet, I don't know why we're focusing on it so much. 88 is still a brilliant score but most important is what your personal opinion is. We're talking like 88 or even 86-87 is a bad score, it isn't, even with some reviews dragging it down.

I think there are definitely some questionable reviews happening, Jim's recent one for example doesn't feel like it's really about Starfield but other dramas surrounding Bethesda, especially since they gave Fallout 4 a 9.5/10 but then in the Starfield review was basically saying Bethesda's been shit since Fallout 3, Lol. I also think some are loving the drama and clicks this is generating.

I think some reviewers are reviewing it based on what they thought it would be, rather than what it actually is, they're reviewing it based on expecting things that were never promised nor shown and that is causing them some disappointment. I find some complaints a bit opportunistic in the sense of "Starfield isn't as good of an RPG as BG3" when we never saw these complaints about Skyrim despite numerous RPGs being far better "RPG" than it. If we're being honest, Skyrim is an RPG-lite and Starfield is the deepest RPG that Bethesda has put out since Morrowind.

I think there's a huge expectation on Starfield as well thanks to Xbox not having a major AAA exclusive since Halo Infinite, alongside Bethesda having to "make up" for Fallout 76. It's kind of the "cool" thing to mock Bethesda lately. So expectations were sky high and impossible to deliver on for some. Like when IGN said it has to be an 11/10 to basically save Xbox (which is another thing, we're seeing a lot of console wars and journalists complain about the console wars but some journalists like IGN very much feed it).

Starfield definitely has some issues and won't be everyone's cup of tea. But at the very minimum, if it was multiplatform, we wouldn't have this console war nonsense surrounding it. I don't know about bias but some reviewers set it up to fail from the very start (like PC Gamer were trashing it before it had even released or reposting negative Fallout 4 articles days before, Lol or IGN who put ridiculous expectations on its shoulders).

Outside of Starfield's reviews though, I am starting to believe there's an unconscious bias against Xbox from some publications, largely those in the European area, who have grown up primarily around PlayStation so Playstation is their preference. Especially when you see stuff like "Bethesda is niche" Lol or constant double standards against Xbox, anger at Xbox trying to be a stronger competitor, etc.

Even so it's sitting at an 88 and a huge success, so ultimately, who gives a shit?

Cause I'm going to win a bet. 

Also lol didn't read, cope harder.  



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Ryuu96 said:
VersusEvil said:

Not on Meta :)

Why do you guys focus so much on Meta though?

The question on everyone's mind for over a decade now.