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Bodhesatva on 30 May 2007
Blue3 said:
naznatips said:
Blue3 said:
 

actually no evidence points to that.

No one here know how much 65 nano chips, droping BR costs and lack of emotion engine will save on hardware production.

ADD the fact of BR domiation of hddvd, no one here knows how much BR success off sets PS3 costs short term or long term.



Dude what are you smoking. Give me some of it. First of all EVERYTHING says that Sony can't afford a $300 dollar price cut (they need a $100 one minimum though). SCE lost more money than Sony as an entire COMPANY grossed during the last fiscal year and that was while only losing 200 bucks per PS3. If they lower the price to $300 that would more than double their profit losses, completely bankrupting not only SCE but Sony as well.

Second, BR lead over HD-DVD isn't that big, and both of them are complete flops. Both are gaining so little ground at all on DVD sales that BR is a moot point. No one cares. The picture upgrade is nowhere near worth the cost of the player and the cost of 30 bucks a movie. By the time BR has killed HD-DVD something much better will be out and BR will die instantly. Everything is moving towards movies being downloaded rather than purchased on any disc format. Why does every person with a game system think they are suddenly an electronics expert?

Edit: Before anyone says they will gain ground when HD-TV penetration is higher, I own a 42 inch plasma and have no intention whatsoever of changing formats. I know a lot of people who are the same way. Hell, I play my Wii and PS2 on that 42 inch plasma.


apperantly you think you are a electronics expert.

Any proof sony cant afford a price cut, NO. Just your opinion. Like i said before 65 nano chips, no emotion engine and Br diods that went form +$100 to below $10. Its obvios you have no clue how much it will save in hardware costs.

70% of USA market, +90% of Japan, +80% Europe, yahh not a big lead.

Br is out pacing dvd, the first Br movie to hit 100k did in it half the time it a dvd to hit 100k.

what we do know is you are posting nothing but fud.


I am an electronics expert, and I'm telling you, it's not possible that the publicized reductions in production cost tally over 300 dollars. Happy? This isn't just "opinion," Blue3. Lots of us here have knowledge of electronics, and particularly knowledge of computer hardware, and we're telling you -- it's not possible. Okay? 



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Parokki on 30 May 2007

 

apperantly you think you are a electronics expert.

Any proof sony cant afford a price cut, NO. Just your opinion. Like i said before 65 nano chips, no emotion engine and Br diods that went form +$100 to below $10. Its obvios you have no clue how much it will save in hardware costs.

70% of USA market, +90% of Japan, +80% Europe, yahh not a big lead.

Br is out pacing dvd, the first Br movie to hit 100k did in it half the time it a dvd to hit 100k.

what we do know is you are posting nothing but fud.


Hi Larry.

Feel like backing up any of your claims? Any sources at all proving the diodes in the Blu-ray drives suddenly dropping price by 90% would be a nice start.



Solid_Eye on 30 May 2007

I Don't know why people continue with this rumor, first kojima interview to site kotaku 2/4/2007 http://kotaku.com/gaming/go307/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php Pity. So, Devil May Cry 4, going multiplatform. Thoughts? Comments? "I think it's up to each project, and the individual producer", he says. "If they want to take it multiplatform, they will". I'm going somewhere with this question, and he knows exactly where that is... "But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day. And Now Peter Moore(MICROSOFT) to next-gen.biz about MGS4 and FFXIII http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5599&Itemid=50&limit=1&limitstart=1 So with Sony in a painful place right now, Microsoft is mopping up any third party deals it can to deny its troubled competitors those big exclusives. But there are still a few holding out; the small matters of Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid come to mind. Is Microsoft going to get those brands? Undoubtedly, the attempt is being made. “There are conversations had everywhere and sometimes the conversations don’t work out,” he says. “There are commitments made, long term commitments by publishers that you have to adhere to and respect. There is no stone left unturned by our team but I also respect the fact that a particular publisher may have a particular loyalty, or might have a long time or long standing business agreement that precludes us from doing things that we would like to do.” And add to this the fact that Sony and Konami will make MGS the movie, i don't rely see mgs4 go to the 360. I think what can happen is something like mgs4:subsomething 1 year and a half later, and that game go to Ps3, 360 and Pc, but even that i have my doubts.



gorgepir on 30 May 2007

I guess Moore's law will suggest that the price can be cut by about 33% in a year, but 90% does seem a bit too high.



naznatips on 30 May 2007
Blue3 said:
naznatips said:
Blue3 said:
 

actually no evidence points to that.

No one here know how much 65 nano chips, droping BR costs and lack of emotion engine will save on hardware production.

ADD the fact of BR domiation of hddvd, no one here knows how much BR success off sets PS3 costs short term or long term.



Dude what are you smoking. Give me some of it. First of all EVERYTHING says that Sony can't afford a $300 dollar price cut (they need a $100 one minimum though). SCE lost more money than Sony as an entire COMPANY grossed during the last fiscal year and that was while only losing 200 bucks per PS3. If they lower the price to $300 that would more than double their profit losses, completely bankrupting not only SCE but Sony as well.

Second, BR lead over HD-DVD isn't that big, and both of them are complete flops. Both are gaining so little ground at all on DVD sales that BR is a moot point. No one cares. The picture upgrade is nowhere near worth the cost of the player and the cost of 30 bucks a movie. By the time BR has killed HD-DVD something much better will be out and BR will die instantly. Everything is moving towards movies being downloaded rather than purchased on any disc format. Why does every person with a game system think they are suddenly an electronics expert?

Edit: Before anyone says they will gain ground when HD-TV penetration is higher, I own a 42 inch plasma and have no intention whatsoever of changing formats. I know a lot of people who are the same way. Hell, I play my Wii and PS2 on that 42 inch plasma.


apperantly you think you are a electronics expert.

Any proof sony cant afford a price cut, NO. Just your opinion. Like i said before 65 nano chips, no emotion engine and Br diods that went form +$100 to below $10. Its obvios you have no clue how much it will save in hardware costs.

70% of USA market, +90% of Japan, +80% Europe, yahh not a big lead.

Br is out pacing dvd, the first Br movie to hit 100k did in it half the time it a dvd to hit 100k.

what we do know is you are posting nothing but fud.


Uh, buddy. The burden of proof rests with you. If you are going to start giving specific numbers then back them up. Of course, the obvious fanboy BS that reeks from your post is enough to knock most people back. I can't say how much it's changed but I have Febuary data calling them tied (with a slight advantage to HD-DVD). So don't give me this bullshit you pulled out of your ass about 70% of the market. http://www.tvpredictions.com/bluhddvd020507.htm. Now Blu-Ray movie sales have been better (60% to 40%) but you are making up some ridiculous crap. The last info is per wikipedia

Oh and yes, Blu-Ray had a 100,000 seller 2 months before DVD, but if you compare the amount of people who own TVs at all now to the amount who did in 1996 the difference is actually in DVD's favor. It actually is NOT gaining very quickly on DVD.

Blu-Ray's problems don't end there. With the loss of the support of the porn industry and solid competition the chances of it winning before a better format come out are very low. Add to that the fact that Sony is in violation of a patent with the Blu-Ray technology which, depending on how the lawsuit works out, could lead to either the end of blu-ray entirely or massive recalls to replace the infringed technology with new patent free technology and Sony has a lot to deal with.

In the end, it's a war to the cheapest price. Do you know why VHS beat betamax? It's cause they were able to sell a VHS player for under $200. Whichever format is the first to make it under that $200 mark will win, I would bet you everything I own that that is a certainty. But, go ahead. If it makes you love your PS3 more pretend that the entire world is raging for Blu-Ray and we all can't live without it.

Keep those ridiculous statements to yourself though if you aren't going to back anything you say up with facts. Your opinions are your opinions but don't support them with false data.



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vizunary on 30 May 2007
Gballzack said:
If convincing yourself it is possible for Sony to lower the price tag lets you sleep at night, that's fine, but you're not going to convince anyone norgoing to change reality with wishful words that play on the absense of definitive proof. Your logic that Sony could feasably lower the price of the PS3 based on what you claim we don't know is no more sound than claiming the President is a robot made by aliens and we wouldn't know it if it was true so it very well could be true. You're just stretching the burden of proof to ridiculous ends to suit your own wants and desires.

A robot made by aliens wouldn't be such a dumbass!



vizunary on 30 May 2007
gorgepir said:

It is winning because obviously you are only looking at the movie industry. Once again if Microsoft sells Windows on an HD-DVD will you or will you not buy a HD-DVD rom? I mean obviously you are pro-sony, but won't you be forced to but an HD-DVD? - Unless you use a mac;).

On another note, I guess you do agree with me after all. What I was trying to say was that Microsoft only supports HD-DVD to go against Blue-ray. IF it really wanted to it could almost easily wipe it out with office and windows.

Just to clear things up, I really am hoping sony wins this format war, to me it is just plain out strange that sony is labeled the "unethical" company while they refuse to give special deals for the porno industry, while MS and Toshiba are probably only count on the support of that industry.


MS would not release Windows,or any other s/w, on a HD-DVD, they would be just asking for another lawsuit, to require consumers to obtain a product that they cash in on is dangerous territory. I worked for them during that whole debackle and they had to totally revamp many of their business strategies. Plus, the last Windows, Vista, is the worst virus to hit PCs in a long time.

"Debbie Does Dallas... Again" on blu-ray to be released soon... I've got it preordered ;)

BTW, there are still NO adult titles on HDDVD



gorgepir on 30 May 2007

Nevertheless, that is what they can do. It is was initially designed to be the successor to the DVD and is actually the approved computer format, so if they wanted to do so, I guess they could. I just checked Wiki, and actually my guess was right, HD-DVD will be the format for Vista.

As of windows vista being crap, I've heard alot on this, however I havent seen anything to support it.

You could check out the link below, dated 2006, which is about HD-DVD porn.  

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/14/first-hd-dvd-porn-goes-on-sale-in-japan-safe-for-work/ 

Porn will be published on Blue-ray it is just that  they don't receive the support as they do when they publish it on HD-DVD.



gorgepir on 30 May 2007

Oh and by the way Debbie does dallas again is in stock with HD-DVD http://www.climaxflix.com/cart.php?type=prod&prod=24350



Blue3 on 30 May 2007
naznatips said:
Blue3 said:
naznatips said:
Blue3 said:
 

actually no evidence points to that.

No one here know how much 65 nano chips, droping BR costs and lack of emotion engine will save on hardware production.

ADD the fact of BR domiation of hddvd, no one here knows how much BR success off sets PS3 costs short term or long term.



Dude what are you smoking. Give me some of it. First of all EVERYTHING says that Sony can't afford a $300 dollar price cut (they need a $100 one minimum though). SCE lost more money than Sony as an entire COMPANY grossed during the last fiscal year and that was while only losing 200 bucks per PS3. If they lower the price to $300 that would more than double their profit losses, completely bankrupting not only SCE but Sony as well.

Second, BR lead over HD-DVD isn't that big, and both of them are complete flops. Both are gaining so little ground at all on DVD sales that BR is a moot point. No one cares. The picture upgrade is nowhere near worth the cost of the player and the cost of 30 bucks a movie. By the time BR has killed HD-DVD something much better will be out and BR will die instantly. Everything is moving towards movies being downloaded rather than purchased on any disc format. Why does every person with a game system think they are suddenly an electronics expert?

Edit: Before anyone says they will gain ground when HD-TV penetration is higher, I own a 42 inch plasma and have no intention whatsoever of changing formats. I know a lot of people who are the same way. Hell, I play my Wii and PS2 on that 42 inch plasma.


apperantly you think you are a electronics expert.

Any proof sony cant afford a price cut, NO. Just your opinion. Like i said before 65 nano chips, no emotion engine and Br diods that went form +$100 to below $10. Its obvios you have no clue how much it will save in hardware costs.

70% of USA market, +90% of Japan, +80% Europe, yahh not a big lead.

Br is out pacing dvd, the first Br movie to hit 100k did in it half the time it a dvd to hit 100k.

what we do know is you are posting nothing but fud.


Uh, buddy. The burden of proof rests with you. If you are going to start giving specific numbers then back them up. Of course, the obvious fanboy BS that reeks from your post is enough to knock most people back. I can't say how much it's changed but I have Febuary data calling them tied (with a slight advantage to HD-DVD). So don't give me this bullshit you pulled out of your ass about 70% of the market. http://www.tvpredictions.com/bluhddvd020507.htm. Now Blu-Ray movie sales have been better (60% to 40%) but you are making up some ridiculous crap. The last info is per wikipedia

Oh and yes, Blu-Ray had a 100,000 seller 2 months before DVD, but if you compare the amount of people who own TVs at all now to the amount who did in 1996 the difference is actually in DVD's favor. It actually is NOT gaining very quickly on DVD.

Blu-Ray's problems don't end there. With the loss of the support of the porn industry and solid competition the chances of it winning before a better format come out are very low. Add to that the fact that Sony is in violation of a patent with the Blu-Ray technology which, depending on how the lawsuit works out, could lead to either the end of blu-ray entirely or massive recalls to replace the infringed technology with new patent free technology and Sony has a lot to deal with.

In the end, it's a war to the cheapest price. Do you know why VHS beat betamax? It's cause they were able to sell a VHS player for under $200. Whichever format is the first to make it under that $200 mark will win, I would bet you everything I own that that is a certainty. But, go ahead. If it makes you love your PS3 more pretend that the entire world is raging for Blu-Ray and we all can't live without it.

Keep those ridiculous statements to yourself though if you aren't going to back anything you say up with facts. Your opinions are your opinions but don't support them with false data.


no buddy all you have is opinions and false data.

 

"Europe Blu-ray discs accounted for almost 87% of all HD"

http://www.dailytech.com/European+Bluray+Disc+Sales+Jump+Following+PS3+Release/article7399c.htm

"Blu-ray’s strong sales since the beginning of 2007 have given it a 7 to 3 sales ratio versus HD DVD" (70%)

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6841

Japan (where Blu-ray owns 96% of the HD movie market). http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=201