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Otter said:
Wyrdness said:

Again people are going off over a year of data so their views are reasonable and it's not comparable to the situation with Switch predictions, you can say what you think could happen but so far the numbers back their views and not that of the PS5 being the best selling for months scenario.

My argument wasn't that it will be the best selling for months, simply that demand is pent up and way outstrips supply (which current software sales can't reflect) and a retailer said its 30x higher than current demand, which they did. We know it's supply constraint, so using a year worth of supply constraint sales data is a bit pointless in discussing actual "demand" or peak potential sales we could hypothetically see in a week without contraints. We have plenty of data points to look to like lotteries, being constantly sold out, being sold for high prices on Amazon JP, randomly fluctuating sales according to supply alone, hardware that thats not impacted by its biggest software releases. This mountain of evidence is why their stances demanding "proof" that there is much higher demand than current sales show, doesnt seem reasonable if we're taking the wider picture into account. It's more or less denial at this point. 

I'd agree that demand far outstrips supply without question. PS5 is supply-constrained everywhere and Japan is one of the worst off. However, with the supply so small it's hard to say how big demand actually is. The 30x the weekly amount could be the extent of the demand or it could be only the tip of the iceberg. Trouble also comes considering that PS5 is supply-constrained everywhere and some of the Japanese demand could be resellers for the East Asian market outside of Japan.
This is where software sales enter into it, because even the highest selling PS5 game has a less than 10% physical attach rate and the beginning of a console's life is typically where the attach rates are highest. Now, that factor is complicated by digital sales and backwards compatibility with PS4 titles, but then PS4 titles are declining in sales rather than increasing so that seems unlikely. Digital titles are the big question as I haven't seen numbers on those, but in general the PS brand has been on a decline in Japan since the PS2. PS4 bounced back a little compared to the Vita, but the Vita was so mismanaged that that's no surprise. I don't think the PS5 will crash and burn, but another decline from PS4's 9.4 million to about 7-8 million seems reasonable.



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Pinkie_pie said:
PaulPortland said:

SO, you see where you fail trying to defend your argument? 

You say, PS5 will sell 200K+ only cause one store says so. But there is not games that make a contrast against the consoles sales or that demand...

Console sales flop = Software sales flop. Where the best sold game is Elden Ring with barely 160K copies. If what you say were true,  we'll see PS5 games keeping at  the top 10, or at least, we'll see ps4 games who people wanted to play in PS5, but they couldn't and furthermore, they must have to play the past version...

So, I really can't see any of your words like some with sense.

PD. OLED no stock issues in Japan? Rly man?

This generation is different. Many people are buying the ps5 and xbox series just for the backwards capabilities, enhanced and free upgrades, gamepass, ps plus collection. I got both xbox series s and ps5 and the only ps5 or xbox game I bought physically was ratchet and clank. 

Ok... Good, I can get that... People get a ps5 to play PS4. It's reasonable...

But, why there is not PS4 games in the top? Japan is one of the country where physical market is still big, the digital market does not represent more of 35%. Why there are not, I dunno... A Horizon? A Death stranding? A ratchet and clank? A RE VIII? A damn Final Fantasy: Strange paradise (it is a FF)?

Why all of these games you can play both in ps4 and ps5, do not keep on the top?... Or at least, having more decent accumulated sales?

Lack of interest from Japanese people? Or Stock? Doubt about it...

I say again, all what you are saying simply makes no sense



PaulPortland said:
Pinkie_pie said:

Ok... Good, I can get that... People get a ps5 to play PS4. It's reasonable...

But, why there is not PS4 games in the top? Japan is one of the country where physical market is still big, the digital market does not represent more of 35%. Why there are not, I dunno... A Horizon? A Death stranding? A ratchet and clank? A RE VIII? A damn Final Fantasy: Strange paradise (it is a FF)?

Why all of these games you can play both in ps4 and ps5, do not keep on the top?... Or at least, having more decent accumulated sales?

Lack of interest from Japanese people? Or Stock? Doubt about it...

I say again, all what you are saying simply makes no sense

Maybe they are waiting to play these games on ps5? Ps4 is 9 years old the majority probably lost interest. I've been replaying many ps4 games I own on the ps5. The enhanced and free upgrades make a big difference. There's also The ps plus collection if you know what that is



Wait I don't understand
Some people are trying to say there is not much demand for the PS5 in Japan because it doesn't sell many each week, even though every single PS5 that gets shipped there is instantly sold out.

With this lack of intelligence, one has to wonder how that manage to cross the street without getting hit by a bus



Can we get a chart that shows ps3, vs ps4, vs ps5 in japan
I feel that if we can see how all 3 are comparing to each other we can get a better guesstimate of the ps5's projections rather then just arguing with each other about what and what isn't reliable data

If I recall correctly the ps4 is at the low 9 millions while the ps3 is around 10.5 million, and we all know how slow the ps3 started off



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Pinkie_pie said:
PaulPortland said:

Maybe they are waiting to play these games on ps5? Ps4 is 9 years old the majority probably lost interest. I've been replaying many ps4 games I own on the ps5. The enhanced and free upgrades make a big difference. There's also The ps plus collection if you know what that is

>>MAYBE!!!<< (What If... From marvel should hire you)

Wait, what? but you were the guy who said a moment ago that people loves backwards o_o7  And now you say they want to play them in ps5? 

Besides, that does not respond to my question, why the ps4 version of all those games (PS4 has 9M of consoles in Japan) does not have more decent sales.  Some of the neither pass the 100K copies... It is very lame, and about this, I am sure it is not the stock



PaulPortland said:
Pinkie_pie said:

>>MAYBE!!!<< (What If... From marvel should hire you)

Wait, what? but you were the guy who said a moment ago that people loves backwards o_o7  And now you say they want to play them in ps5? 

Besides, that does not respond to my question, why the ps4 version of all those games (PS4 has 9M of consoles in Japan) does not have more decent sales.  Some of the neither pass the 100K copies... It is very lame, and about this, I am sure it is not the stock

The backwards capabilities games aren't ps5 versions. You seriously don't think people don't lose interest on a console that is almost 10 years old? If we don't lose interstate why bother releasing new consoles? The games you mentioned elden ring, horizon, RE8, FF and Death Stranding they would rather play the superior version and that is the ps5 



Pinkie_pie said:
PaulPortland said:

>>MAYBE!!!<< (What If... From marvel should hire you)

Wait, what? but you were the guy who said a moment ago that people loves backwards o_o7  And now you say they want to play them in ps5? 

Besides, that does not respond to my question, why the ps4 version of all those games (PS4 has 9M of consoles in Japan) does not have more decent sales.  Some of the neither pass the 100K copies... It is very lame, and about this, I am sure it is not the stock

The backwards capabilities games aren't ps5 versions. You seriously don't think people don't lose interest on a console that is almost 10 years old? If we don't lose interstate why bother releasing new consoles? The games you mentioned elden ring, horizon and such they would rather play the superior version and that is the ps5 

Ah ok... So, in conclusion... Low sales of Playstation games in Japan is fault of people who wants to wait who knows how many months to buy the ps5 and playing the same game of the Ps5 version that they could be playing in ps4 right now... And for that... the PS5 will sell more than switch if the stock issues did not exist...

Cool........... I say again, I think Marvel is hiring writters right now



PaulPortland said:
Pinkie_pie said:

The backwards capabilities games aren't ps5 versions. You seriously don't think people don't lose interest on a console that is almost 10 years old? If we don't lose interstate why bother releasing new consoles? The games you mentioned elden ring, horizon and such they would rather play the superior version and that is the ps5 

Ah ok... So, in conclusion... Low sales of Playstation games in Japan is fault of people who wants to wait who knows how many months to buy the ps5 and playing the same game of the Ps5 version that they could be playing in ps4 right now... And for that... the PS5 will sell more than switch if the stock issues did not exist...

Cool........... I say again, I think Marvel is hiring writters right now

You expect ps4 games to keep selling millions? Many have lost interest in the ps4 because it's 9 year old. They rather play these new games on the ps5 because of faster loading times, better graphics, frame rate and controller features. Why do you think the ps5 and xbox series keep selling out when there's hardly any exclusive next gen games? On ps5 I could only think of ratchet, returnal and demon soul remake. On the xbox series there isn't any exclusive 



GProgrammer said:

Wait I don't understand
Some people are trying to say there is not much demand for the PS5 in Japan because it doesn't sell many each week, even though every single PS5 that gets shipped there is instantly sold out.

With this lack of intelligence, one has to wonder how that manage to cross the street without getting hit by a bus

You misunderstood.

People are saying that not because of it's weekly hardware sales but because of the lack of software sales. It does not look like a very healthy ecosystem.