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Is free speech suppressed on the internet's main public squares

Yes 56 53.85%
 
No 44 42.31%
 
Undecided 4 3.85%
 
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ConservagameR said:
Jumpin said:

Of course he’s paranoid. Have you seen the guy’s posts on Twitter? The guy’s a legit nutcase.

Exactly. The Twitter Files? Really Elon?

Like who spends billions on a company to very quickly show the public as much as possible about how it's actually been operating and covering up?

Didn't he learn anything from JFK's speech about secret societies and hidden agenda's?

No mate no

All he showed was that Joe Biden didn't want revenge porn of his son on the internet. And funny how Matt Taibbi and Barry Weiss and Musk didn't tell us what Trump asked of them even though he did as well like the Biden CAMPAIGN. The Trump ADMIN also used the same channel.



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Summary from last week's live on Dec 2nd 2022:

  • Aim: Move civilization towards truth and transparency. Make twitter competitive and lead to competitors fighting for who will manage with most accountability, as a value of the service offered.
  • Defeat bots and agencies, exposing the agencies which steer public discourse.
  • Focus on making twitter healthy and setting high traction on engineering and delivery of new features.
  • Thanks made to Elon for stopping child pornography on twitter in only 30 days vs many years problem under the last lead.
  • Mainstream media not giving props to Elon about the Twitter files, exposing the higher-ups of the original twitter team and how they managed the Hunter Biden laptop story and covered it up. Gaslighting Matt Taibbi.
  • Questions about what will come in episode 2 of the Twitter Files. What other hidden files can be looked at? 6Gen, Covid.
  • Plan to limit followers? Appears to be a double-standard.
  • Advertisers stopped advertising on twitter, Apple resumes and others too when realizing that there was no problem with how Musk was managing Twitter. Ad expenditures drop, need alternative sources of revenue. Advertisers were scared by certain lobbyists, then returned after realizing that values are aligned & waters are safe. Advertisers can tailor ads to non-ad content that they are comfortable associating with.
  • Make Twitter more fun and welcoming, suited to various tastes & free of bots.
  • Make it easier to transact with crypto.
  • Label Mainstream Media state media. If biased, it should be clear.
  • Calibrate user experience.
  • Let ppl know when government is targeting people. Post should show what the events around it are (government asks to remove, etc.)


padib said:

Summary from last week's live on Dec 2nd 2022:

  • Aim: Move civilization towards truth and transparency. Make twitter competitive and lead to competitors fighting for who will manage with most accountability, as a value of the service offered.
  • Defeat bots and agencies, exposing the agencies which steer public discourse.
  • Focus on making twitter healthy and setting high traction on engineering and delivery of new features.
  • Thanks made to Elon for stopping child pornography on twitter in only 30 days vs many years problem under the last lead.
  • Mainstream media not giving props to Elon about the Twitter files, exposing the higher-ups of the original twitter team and how they managed the Hunter Biden laptop story and covered it up. Gaslighting Matt Taibbi.
  • Questions about what will come in episode 2 of the Twitter Files. What other hidden files can be looked at? 6Gen, Covid.
  • Plan to limit followers? Appears to be a double-standard.
  • Advertisers stopped advertising on twitter, Apple resumes and others too when realizing that there was no problem with how Musk was managing Twitter. Ad expenditures drop, need alternative sources of revenue. Advertisers were scared by certain lobbyists, then returned after realizing that values are aligned & waters are safe. Advertisers can tailor ads to non-ad content that they are comfortable associating with.
  • Make Twitter more fun and welcoming, suited to various tastes & free of bots.
  • Make it easier to transact with crypto.
  • Label Mainstream Media state media. If biased, it should be clear.
  • Calibrate user experience.
  • Let ppl know when government is targeting people. Post should show what the events around it are (government asks to remove, etc.)

That sounds great but this bullet point, is it something from your opinion or are these actual facts.  Most of it seems like a wish list more than things actually getting done.  Lets take each one at a time.

  • Aim: Move civilization towards truth and transparency. Make twitter competitive and lead to competitors fighting for who will manage with most accountability, as a value of the service offered.
    • What exactly does this even mean.  Its not like Twitter is the only Social network site so what exactly is transparent today then before.  It would be different if Elon showed all documents not curated documents that would be transparent including his own decisions.  When you control the truth, then is it really truth or what you try to paint it.
  • Defeat bots and agencies, exposing the agencies which steer public discourse.
    • This is still debatable since we do not have enough data to know, if anything really has been done with bots, I still get spammed just as much now then I did before the buyout.
  • Focus on making twitter healthy and setting high traction on engineering and delivery of new features.
    • When we see new features you let us all know.  If the new feature is the blue check mark which was a total crap feast, I am waiting to see something of real substance.
  • Thanks made to Elon for stopping child pornography on twitter in only 30 days vs many years problem under the last lead.
    • I know this one isn't true, because I have seen so much pornography on Twitter without even trying and getting spammed by it.
  • Mainstream media not giving props to Elon about the Twitter files, exposing the higher-ups of the original twitter team and how they managed the Hunter Biden laptop story and covered it up. Gaslighting Matt Taibbi.
    • Yeah, only let 2 select people see the files if that is what you call transparency, I believe you need to check the definition again.  This is what we call control.  You control who sees it, who reports on it and thus you control the narration of the information.  These are the tactics MSM have done for years and now you are champion it from Elon.
  • Questions about what will come in episode 2 of the Twitter Files. What other hidden files can be looked at? 6Gen, Covid.
    • Selective narration as I stated.  He is picking and choosing the topics instead of just opening everything up.  I would give Elon props if he opened it up for all decisions so we get a complete context of how Twitter managed information.  Only distilling info on select topics just give the feeling of pander to a certain base and control of the narration.
  • Advertisers stopped advertising on twitter, Apple resumes and others too when realizing that there was no problem with how Musk was managing Twitter. Ad expenditures drop, need alternative sources of revenue. Advertisers were scared by certain lobbyists, then returned after realizing that values are aligned & waters are safe. Advertisers can tailor ads to non-ad content that they are comfortable associating with.
    • Actually I believe advertisers were iffy because of Elon jumping in saying a lot of stuff but then having to run those statements back once the money got short.  If Elon wanted to make Twitter like Gab, he found out real quick, that is a one way street to losing 44 billion dollars.
  • Make Twitter more fun and welcoming, suited to various tastes & free of bots.
    • I will take this as pure opinion because nothing really changed with Twitter as of today.  Not sure what has changed that has made twitter more fun can you elaborate on that one.
  • Label Mainstream Media state media. If biased, it should be clear.
    • So only MSM is state media or are you saying only MSM are bias not sure what this really mean because media in general is pretty much bias since the majority of them give mostly opinions instead of just stating the facts of the items they report.
  • Let ppl know when government is targeting people. Post should show what the events around it are (government asks to remove, etc.)
    • Hmm, exactly what government asked for any post to be removed.  Could you elaborate on this one.  From Matt Taibbi, even he said the Government was not involved with Hunter Laptop story.  Cannot say Biden because at the time he was not in the Government.



Eagle367 said:
ConservagameR said:

Exactly. The Twitter Files? Really Elon?

Like who spends billions on a company to very quickly show the public as much as possible about how it's actually been operating and covering up?

Didn't he learn anything from JFK's speech about secret societies and hidden agenda's?

No mate no

All he showed was that Joe Biden didn't want revenge porn of his son on the internet. And funny how Matt Taibbi and Barry Weiss and Musk didn't tell us what Trump asked of them even though he did as well like the Biden CAMPAIGN. The Trump ADMIN also used the same channel.

I guess I could use an excuse from their own playbook against them, that it doesn't matter what Trumps admin did since he lost anyway. Maybe another, like there's no point in talking about what Trumps admin did since it must obviously be a nothing burger, not even revenge porn worthy news.

I didn't specify what had been exposed, so far, since they clearly aren't done yet. Don't want to jump to instant conclusions like the main stream media, who oddly seem to be mostly ignoring this main stream type bombshell news.



ConservagameR said:
Eagle367 said:

No mate no

All he showed was that Joe Biden didn't want revenge porn of his son on the internet. And funny how Matt Taibbi and Barry Weiss and Musk didn't tell us what Trump asked of them even though he did as well like the Biden CAMPAIGN. The Trump ADMIN also used the same channel.

I guess I could use an excuse from their own playbook against them, that it doesn't matter what Trumps admin did since he lost anyway. Maybe another, like there's no point in talking about what Trumps admin did since it must obviously be a nothing burger, not even revenge porn worthy news.

I didn't specify what had been exposed, so far, since they clearly aren't done yet. Don't want to jump to instant conclusions like the main stream media, who oddly seem to be mostly ignoring this main stream type bombshell news.

What exactly is the bomeshell about this news.  That a private organization decided what they allowed and does not allow on their product.  Can you elaborate exactly on this point.  I am very interested in knowing exactly what is so important concerning the info that was released so far.



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Machiavellian said:
ConservagameR said:

I guess I could use an excuse from their own playbook against them, that it doesn't matter what Trumps admin did since he lost anyway. Maybe another, like there's no point in talking about what Trumps admin did since it must obviously be a nothing burger, not even revenge porn worthy news.

I didn't specify what had been exposed, so far, since they clearly aren't done yet. Don't want to jump to instant conclusions like the main stream media, who oddly seem to be mostly ignoring this main stream type bombshell news.

What exactly is the bomeshell about this news.  That a private organization decided what they allowed and does not allow on their product.  Can you elaborate exactly on this point.  I am very interested in knowing exactly what is so important concerning the info that was released so far.

"Main stream type bombshell news." You should ask them, because I don't see how they get away with calling most stories that either.

It's almost worth poking fun at. Almost.



ConservagameR said:
Machiavellian said:

What exactly is the bomeshell about this news.  That a private organization decided what they allowed and does not allow on their product.  Can you elaborate exactly on this point.  I am very interested in knowing exactly what is so important concerning the info that was released so far.

"Main stream type bombshell news." You should ask them, because I don't see how they get away with calling most stories that either.

It's almost worth poking fun at. Almost.

What Organization has been calling it bombshell news.  Not understanding because I have not seen that from MSM networks unless you are talking about Fox.  Even if a media call something bombshell anyone who even remotely pays attention to news headlines know that certain words are used to get people to actually read or watch whatever is being reported.  The first thing for any decerning individual is are they reporting facts or providing opinions.

Most people only read headlines so most news orgs knows a nice bombastic headline grabs attention or if you want to direct a narrative you just put it in the headline and people will run off believing whatever was reported.  As I stated in before, these are all opinion-based news tactics and it really does not matter if its MSM, your youtube story or some blog post.



One more point I on MSM, one thing I love to do is read a news article that is reported by all the networks including youtube and blogs. The reason why is to see the level of bias between them all. The first way to tell is how much information is opinion instead of reporting the facts. How much is reported compared to left out which is a tactic to direct opinion a certain way. Its how I see what Elon is doing. You release only what you want to direct opinion. You limit the scope of the information so that you can control the narration and opinion on the information. Then you throw your own opinion into the mix leading the narration to control how you want discussions to go. These are classic tactics used throughout the years and its obvious to anyone who study marketing.



Machiavellian said:
ConservagameR said:

"Main stream type bombshell news." You should ask them, because I don't see how they get away with calling most stories that either.

It's almost worth poking fun at. Almost.

What Organization has been calling it bombshell news.  Not understanding because I have not seen that from MSM networks unless you are talking about Fox.  Even if a media call something bombshell anyone who even remotely pays attention to news headlines know that certain words are used to get people to actually read or watch whatever is being reported.  The first thing for any decerning individual is are they reporting facts or providing opinions.

Most people only read headlines so most news orgs knows a nice bombastic headline grabs attention or if you want to direct a narrative you just put it in the headline and people will run off believing whatever was reported.  As I stated in before, these are all opinion-based news tactics and it really does not matter if its MSM, your youtube story or some blog post.

This is so much funnier actually. It was a simple joke. Let me make it boring though and explain.

Main stream media has boring or nothing burger stories that they often call bombshells, which is ridiculous, to the point of poking fun at.

I made a joke about The Twitter Files being bombshells because that's the type of thing the main stream media would say.

Yet the main stream media is barely talking about it though, which is even funnier because it's totally main stream type news.

All you'd have to do is change the Twitter info wording from left to right or Biden to Trump and it would be getting covered 24/7.

Then you unexpectedly took it seriously yet expected a serious answer to explain what was so bombshell about what was a joke.

You clearly knew it doesn't make sense from a serious perspective, because it's a joke, but you still didn't get it's a joke after my reply and wink.

It was just a joke about the main stream media. You can relax.



ConservagameR said:
Machiavellian said:

What Organization has been calling it bombshell news.  Not understanding because I have not seen that from MSM networks unless you are talking about Fox.  Even if a media call something bombshell anyone who even remotely pays attention to news headlines know that certain words are used to get people to actually read or watch whatever is being reported.  The first thing for any decerning individual is are they reporting facts or providing opinions.

Most people only read headlines so most news orgs knows a nice bombastic headline grabs attention or if you want to direct a narrative you just put it in the headline and people will run off believing whatever was reported.  As I stated in before, these are all opinion-based news tactics and it really does not matter if its MSM, your youtube story or some blog post.

This is so much funnier actually. It was a simple joke. Let me make it boring though and explain.

Main stream media has boring or nothing burger stories that they often call bombshells, which is ridiculous, to the point of poking fun at.

I made a joke about The Twitter Files being bombshells because that's the type of thing the main stream media would say.

Yet the main stream media is barely talking about it though, which is even funnier because it's totally main stream type news.

All you'd have to do is change the Twitter info wording from left to right or Biden to Trump and it would be getting covered 24/7.

Then you unexpectedly took it seriously yet expected a serious answer to explain what was so bombshell about what was a joke.

You clearly knew it doesn't make sense from a serious perspective, because it's a joke, but you still didn't get it's a joke after my reply and wink.

It was just a joke about the main stream media. You can relax.

Hmm, but its not just MSM that says nothing burger, I see a lot of conservative's media saying the same thing.  So do you only look at the MSM or do you selectively only look at what support your opinion.

I did not unexpectedly take it seriously.  I took what you stated and wanted clarification on it.  If you just stated I am joking and leave it at that, I would not respond.  If you throw in some opinion, I might not agree with then there is a chance I will give you one back.

Jokes on text is hard to tell from context.  If you believe everyone can magically understand your joke, you must be new to forums.  There is nothing to relax about, I am no more serious then you are.  I did not get your joke, even after you gave context, I still do not get the joke but as long as it made you happy that is fine but then again not all jokes are funny or witty like a lot of people tend to believe.