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Ryuu96 said:

@LurkerJ Did you see that Joe Rogan has gone fully mask off? Telling Zelenskyy "fuck you" for defending his own country to which Wladimir Klitschko, a Ukrainian boxer and brother of Vitali Klitschko who is the Mayor of Kyiv and Zelenskyy's political rival, blasted Joe Rogan for spreading Russian propaganda and asked if he could come on his show, Rogan has yet to respond. Ukraine’s former Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba also asked Rogan if he could sit down and debate the points, Rogan has yet to respond, then he also revealed Zelenskyy asked to come on his show in the past to which he mocked his request.

He's a fucking coward who can't handle anyone challenging him, that's why he's terrified to have Klitschko, Zelenskyy, Kuleba on the show, I'm starting to wonder if his handlers are also being paid off by Russia like Tim Pool and others. He is pathetic and has took the mask off to reveal yet another right-wing grifter who spreads bullshit and can't handle anyone challenging his bullshit. I'd be shocked if he lets any of them on his show because they will rip his utter nonsense apart, the victim blaming piece of shit.

America needs to be very careful over the next 4 years because there's going to be a lot of Russian propaganda and disinformation passed through idiots like Rogan, the media and even the Trump administration, Russia is currently winning the information warfare against America, it's Cold War 2.0 and Russia is winning, I only hope the true Americans fight hard against this bullshit pro-Russian propaganda that's about to flood America.

i'm starting to like JR less now.  He's deserving all of the bad press that he's getting.  I guess he feels like his viewers aren't politically conscious and will let him have his opinion.  That's fine but a lot of people are having issues with these horrible opinions.  



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I think the winner in all this recent activity in Syria is Erdogan. He supports the rebels more than anyone else that I can see.

Not long ago, he purchased S-400 air defense systems from Russia, and the US retaliated by denying him the F-35. This guy is known for playing both sides. What if he sends his S-400 to the US for us to tear them apart and figure out their weaknesses?

Plus, his side in the Syrian Civil War has momentum. Hell, they just captured Aleppo and Damascus is not that far to the south. Definitely worth following this war.

Last edited by BFR - on 30 November 2024

Ryuu96 said:
Zkuq said:

I don't want to imply anything, but he clearly hasn't cared about his allies after attacking Ukraine. On the other hand, he's been great at utilizing his allies.

Generally true but Syria is pretty important to Russia strategically, they've got a few Russian bases there which supply their African operations and the important Tartus naval facility and without it, Russia/Wagner in Africa is a lot harder to supply. Plus Assad has been the poster boy of how Russia protects their sicko allies, even despite most of the West wanting him dead, I think Assad collapsing would be a worse look than America's messy pull out of Afghanistan, if Syria did collapse it would send a very strong message to anyone under Russia's thumb, now is the time to strike.

Then there's also that Türkiye and Russia have been having a proxy war with each other in Syria for years now which Russia doesn't want Türkiye to win. Though Türkiye also supplies and funds group that we in the West don't like either and that's been a big disagreement between us. Overall Assad collapsing would be a pretty major blow to Russia but we'll have to wait and see, the situation keeps rapidly changing and Assad is no stranger to using any means at his disposal to put down rebellions even if it means slaughtering his own civilians.

I know Syria is more important than Armenia, but thanks for the extra insight as well! I don't think Russia is going to give up on Ukraine just to save Syria, but Russia should be able to slow down a bit in Ukraine to help Syria. I don't know if they want to, of course... But it would kind of make sense.





BFR said:

I think the winner in all this recent activity in Syria is Erdogan. He supports the rebels more than anyone else that I can see.

Not long ago, he purchased S-400 air defense systems from Russia, and the US retaliated by denying him the F-35. This guy is known for playing both sides. What if he sends his S-400 to the US for us to tear them apart and figure out their weaknesses?

Plus, his side in the Syrian Civil War has momentum. Hell, they just captured Aleppo and Damascus is not that far to the south. Definitely worth following this war.

Just to clarify, the distance between Aleppo and Damascus is 350km, which I’d say is a pretty big gap. The two cities are pretty much on the opposite sides of the country.



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SecondWar said:

Just to clarify, the distance between Aleppo and Damascus is 350km, which I’d say is a pretty big gap. The two cities are pretty much on the opposite sides of the country.

Amd just to clarify one thing:

The "Rebels" are a comglomerate of mostly wannabe-fighter groups, under the control and leadership of ISIS.

The last thing you want is ISIS controlling Syria. (Aleppo was sort-of "captured" by the Kurds when they saw Assad's troups running away and ISIS not moving in - so they took the opportunity. They don't really have a chance holding Aleppo once ISIS realises their blunder).



Yeah, I thought that as well. The main groups involved in the seizure of Aleppo all seems to be various Islamist groups - I couldn’t actually see mentions of Kurdish groups being involved.



drkohler said:
SecondWar said:

Just to clarify, the distance between Aleppo and Damascus is 350km, which I’d say is a pretty big gap. The two cities are pretty much on the opposite sides of the country.

Amd just to clarify one thing:

The "Rebels" are a comglomerate of mostly wannabe-fighter groups, under the control and leadership of ISIS.

The last thing you want is ISIS controlling Syria. (Aleppo was sort-of "captured" by the Kurds when they saw Assad's troups running away and ISIS not moving in - so they took the opportunity. They don't really have a chance holding Aleppo once ISIS realises their blunder).

There's so many factions in this conflict, Tahrir al-Sham (Syrian Salvation Government) are not under the control and leadership of ISIS but do have Islamic extremists in their ranks. They (HTS) were an off-shoot of Al-Qaeda, not ISIS. In 2016 they officially broke up with Al-Qaeda and are now their enemy and since have been apparently purging extremists from their ranks in an effort to be internationally recognised and accepted. Alongside Al-Qaeda, ISIS is also their enemy and they've been fighting each other for years now.

They even killed ISIS leader last year with help from Türkiye

They've been over the recent years trying to appear more moderate in an effort to appeal to Western states.

HTS's ideology has changed dramatically since Jolani's days leading an al Qaeda affiliate. HTS's current political-religious ideology frames the group as strictly Syria-focused and religiously moderate. Since 2017, HTS has incorporated various independent religious and political leaders into its internal institutions to appease factions and build a religious bureaucracy, a process that has helped moderate the group, at least on the surface. While HTS presents itself as less ideologically extreme than al Qaeda or ISIS, the brutal measures HTS uses to maintain control over its territory are a far cry from the benevolent, citizen-led government shown on its media outlets. Today, HTS is more recognizable as an authoritarian statelet than the transnational Islamist militia it once was.

Jolani has used the group's public appearance of moderation to appeal for HTS's removal from the list of U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organizations. In various interviews, he has outlined a more tolerant vision of governance, explaining that HTS would uphold Sharia law, "but not according to the standard of ISIS or even Saudi Arabia." The group's public content has sought to mold Jolani's image into that of a responsible and caring leader, releasing videos of him eating iftar with orphans, attending graduations, and speaking to community leaders. HTS's public relations strategy has included clear appeals to Western media, particularly Jolani's feature on a 2021 PBS Frontline special. Beyond the messaging campaign, there have been some substantive signs of moderation within the group, including limiting the power of the so-called morality police. Despite any moves towards religious moderation, HTS has shown limited tolerance for political dissent, reacting swiftly and harshly to any protests or civilian complaints. The group has been criticized for its arrest and torture of journalists and political opponents.

Examining Extremism: Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) | Examining Extremism | CSIS

It could all be bullshit and likely is bullshit, I anticipate they will be not much different than Iran's current leadership, I wish we just blew up Assad and supported the Kurds a lot more because I'd much rather them than HTS and Türkiye's support of various elements of the Syrian Rebels has been a major conflict point between Türkiye and the rest of NATO.

Türkiye also hates the Kurds who we support, Assad himself is a monster and inflicted more harm on his own people than any of these groups as well so ultimately whether they've changed or not remains to be seen, the only known positive would be weakening Russia (and killing Assad). But the situation in Syria is a lot more complex than that of Ukraine with all the factions involved.

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SecondWar said:
BFR said:

I think the winner in all this recent activity in Syria is Erdogan. He supports the rebels more than anyone else that I can see.

Not long ago, he purchased S-400 air defense systems from Russia, and the US retaliated by denying him the F-35. This guy is known for playing both sides. What if he sends his S-400 to the US for us to tear them apart and figure out their weaknesses?

Plus, his side in the Syrian Civil War has momentum. Hell, they just captured Aleppo and Damascus is not that far to the south. Definitely worth following this war.

Just to clarify, the distance between Aleppo and Damascus is 350km, which I’d say is a pretty big gap. The two cities are pretty much on the opposite sides of the country.

The major play I think would be Homs, if they take Homs then Damascus is cut off from Russia's major supply routes. Pro-Assad forces sent a security delegation to the Turkish city of Antalya to hold negotiations with the Turkish side to try to stop the rebels' movement towards Damascus...This doesn't sound like a confident Assad but we'll see. Once the Russian warplanes are in the skies the HTS will need air-defence systems.

Map of Syrian Civil War

They've managed to capture a Pantsir. Hopefully take down a few Russian warplanes with that.



shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

@LurkerJ Did you see that Joe Rogan has gone fully mask off? Telling Zelenskyy "fuck you" for defending his own country to which Wladimir Klitschko, a Ukrainian boxer and brother of Vitali Klitschko who is the Mayor of Kyiv and Zelenskyy's political rival, blasted Joe Rogan for spreading Russian propaganda and asked if he could come on his show, Rogan has yet to respond. Ukraine’s former Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba also asked Rogan if he could sit down and debate the points, Rogan has yet to respond, then he also revealed Zelenskyy asked to come on his show in the past to which he mocked his request.

He's a fucking coward who can't handle anyone challenging him, that's why he's terrified to have Klitschko, Zelenskyy, Kuleba on the show, I'm starting to wonder if his handlers are also being paid off by Russia like Tim Pool and others. He is pathetic and has took the mask off to reveal yet another right-wing grifter who spreads bullshit and can't handle anyone challenging his bullshit. I'd be shocked if he lets any of them on his show because they will rip his utter nonsense apart, the victim blaming piece of shit.

America needs to be very careful over the next 4 years because there's going to be a lot of Russian propaganda and disinformation passed through idiots like Rogan, the media and even the Trump administration, Russia is currently winning the information warfare against America, it's Cold War 2.0 and Russia is winning, I only hope the true Americans fight hard against this bullshit pro-Russian propaganda that's about to flood America.

i'm starting to like JR less now.  He's deserving all of the bad press that he's getting.  I guess he feels like his viewers aren't politically conscious and will let him have his opinion.  That's fine but a lot of people are having issues with these horrible opinions.  

I associate Joe Rogan with men who are aged 20 to 34 (or so), are shorter in height, dress like they're 13, are into sports but never play them, always look in a constant state of nervous and mild contentment, have tons of weights and MMA gear and never use them, hang out in homosocial groups, and are usually the guy at the party without a date. Not that there's anything wrong with fitting that description, but (somehow) almost all these Joe Rogan fans I come across in the wild fit that description.

You know the sort I mean:



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.