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Ryuu96 on 14 April 2024
Cobretti2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Probably not directly but Russia's likely helping Iran improve their military either way and Russia would be thrilled if Iran/Israel went to war because it would distract America away from Ukraine permanently but I do not believe Iran is insane enough to want an actual war with Israel, they've despised each other for centuries but Iran knows it would end badly for them.

I hate both Israel's government and Iran's government, I think they're both as bad as each other but Iran's attack was because Israel recklessly bombed an Iranian consulate in Syria which is a big no no for most countries, so this was Iran's response to that. During the attack, Iran put outs statements which can basically be summed up as "hey this was our response to your attack! lets end this now!"

So Biden NEEDS to keep Netanyahu on a leash, the last thing we need right now is Israel and Iran going to war, Israel needs to take this on the chin, it was a tit for tat, go bomb some terrorist Houthi's or something, don't escalate with Iran directly though. Iran's attack was very telegraphed, the drones took 5 hours to reach Israel, I do believe Iran's move was just a face saving attack.

Iran is claiming victory, Israel is claiming victory too due to interception rate, as far as I can see, barely anything made it through, I was worried that civilians would be killed but I've not seen any reports of that yet, apparently the drones and missiles were only targeted at military installations. Reportedly Biden has told Netanyahu to take this as a win and move on, he has also reportedly told Netanyahu that America won't back him in an offensive on Iran so this should hopefully be the end of it.

Biden told Netanyahu US will not participate in offensive operations against Iran, US official says

Biden tells Netanyahu tonight was a win, nothing of "value" hit in Israel, US official says

To be fair I reckon most of Iranian's (with a brain), would like to see their Government toppled. I have Iranian friends in Australia and all they ever talk about is the fall of their Government an hope it happens. This has been going on for as long as I known them so not a new thing because of Israel. They want to see them go back to the progressive country it was before it turned extremist again.

Oh I know, I only hate the government, Iranians seem like great people by large, I've seen the protests, I've seen the anger towards their government, Iranians despise their government. Mahsa Amini Protests were far bigger than anything I had seen in Russia against the Ukraine/Russia war. I know Iranians don't like their government, they just don't have the power to topple it, yet.



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Ryuu96 on 14 April 2024
BFR said:

It'll be captured if the West doesn't pull its finger out and possibly lead to the capture of large areas of Donetsk.

These deadlines by Putin are so fucking dumb though so get ready to see another 1000+ dead Russians per day, again.



Ryuu96 on 14 April 2024

Seeing the interception rate by Israel against hundreds of drones and missiles (ballistic and cruise)...I'm not sad that they managed to intercept so many, I'm just a bit annoyed to witness Israel's incredible AD during a period where Ukraine is hugely struggling, fighting for its life, struggling with each missile attack, vital energy infrastructures being blown up, cities being bombed regularly...

I know Israel had help from UK, France, America and Jordan and Ukraine is massively, massively, bigger than Israel but still...We can do a lot more for Ukraine, we have the equipment, we have the technology, Israel has such an incredible AD thanks in part to the West helping them, I just don't feel the same enthusiasm from the West when it comes to Ukraine, just a few ADs here and there.



Ryuu96 on 14 April 2024

There's a certain amount of hypocrisy in that, helping Israel take down Iranian drones and missiles is seen as de-escalation but helping Ukraine take down Russian drones and missiles, including many of which are Iranian made, would be seen as dangerous escalation. Israel refusing to help Ukraine because they want friendly relations with Russia, the same Russia who is helping Iran.

I know it's "Nukes Nukes Nukes" but probably Iran will have nukes eventually thanks to Russia and then what? Would we stop defending Israel because Iran had nukes? I somehow don't believe that we would put our hands up and go "sorry Israel, we can't defend you anymore, Iran has nukes, bye" and just completely abandon actually getting involved in defending them.

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Ryuu96 on 14 April 2024

Defeat Russia = Weaken Iran = Deter China



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LurkerJ on 14 April 2024
Ryuu96 said:

Defeat Russia = Weaken Iran = Deter China

Literally. 

It feels as if someone is constantly choosing the options that tests the limits for everyone and everything. Is this reality? It's unfathomably bizarre. 



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Ryuu96 on 14 April 2024

The world has everything necessary to stop any missiles, "Shahed" drones, and other forms of terror. It only requires the decisions that can restore true and lasting security.

Ukraine can defeat Russian terror, protect its own life and the life of the entire Europe and other regions of the world from the spread of evil. This is why we need the support of our partners, and every day of delay in the delivery of aid results in more destroyed homes and ruined lives.

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Biggerboat1 on 14 April 2024
Ryuu96 said:
Biggerboat1 said:

BBC News - DragonFire: UK laser could be used against Russian drones on Ukraine front line
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68795603

Is this the military equivalent of vaporware? Would be cool, but won't be holding my breath...

Wouldn't say vapourware but Grant Shapps is a moron so anything he hypes up should be taken with a grain of salt, he's a big supporter of Ukraine but he's a huge step down from Ben Wallace in terms of actual knowledge. Anyway, I see little downside in giving Ukraine early military equipment that has yet to be rolled out as a sort of "testing" for said equipment, it's pretty much the only way Ukraine is going to get the most modern of equipment. I say we should give Ukraine a few early model SPEAR 5's.

Having said that, Ukraine needs equipment now alongside the experimental equipment, some experimental AD is irrelevant to their needs now, the West needs to grow a pair and make themselves uncomfortable, if it were up to me then every country would send at minimum 50% of their AD to Ukraine and more for those further West. Us in Western Europe do not need to hoard AD!!!

I just find it a bit unbelievable that the UK would be first to market with this kind of revolutionary tech (unless I'm just ignorant of the laser-weapon segment of the arms market).

I hope it comes to pass primarily & obviously so that Ukraine can safeguard their territory & people more effectively, but it'd also be awesome to see this thing in action from a purely vicarious sci-fi-come-to-life POV.

EDIT : it'd also be weird for us to be giving our state-of-the-art, developmental tech to Ukraine, when many other Western countries are donating their obsolete moth-eaten stuff.

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Ryuu96 on 14 April 2024
Biggerboat1 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Wouldn't say vapourware but Grant Shapps is a moron so anything he hypes up should be taken with a grain of salt, he's a big supporter of Ukraine but he's a huge step down from Ben Wallace in terms of actual knowledge. Anyway, I see little downside in giving Ukraine early military equipment that has yet to be rolled out as a sort of "testing" for said equipment, it's pretty much the only way Ukraine is going to get the most modern of equipment. I say we should give Ukraine a few early model SPEAR 5's.

Having said that, Ukraine needs equipment now alongside the experimental equipment, some experimental AD is irrelevant to their needs now, the West needs to grow a pair and make themselves uncomfortable, if it were up to me then every country would send at minimum 50% of their AD to Ukraine and more for those further West. Us in Western Europe do not need to hoard AD!!!

I just find it a bit unbelievable that the UK would be first to market with this kind of revolutionary tech (unless I'm just ignorant of the laser-weapon segment of the arms market).

I hope it comes to pass primarily & obviously so that Ukraine can safeguard their territory & people more effectively, but it'd also be awesome to see this thing in action from a purely vicarious sci-fi-come-to-life POV.

EDIT : it'd also be weird for us to be giving our state-of-the-art, developmental tech to Ukraine, when many other Western countries are donating their obsolete moth-eaten stuff.

Hey, I know UK's military has been gutted over the years but we're still pretty modern

For real though, I'm also ignorant and since it's Grant Shapps saying it who has no military background, I'd take it with a huge grain of salt, I see no harm in using Ukraine as a testing bed for weapons if it actually gets them modern stuff instead of outdated shit and from a pure military standpoint...It's smart to do as well...You aren't going to get better testing environments than this.

IIRC...Didn't UK already give Ukraine something which they've not yet deployed but is in testing phases? I'm struggling to remember what it was but I swear we already did it before...Guess we see the benefit in doing it, it would speed up development with real world data, a battle tested weapon will sell better to other nations and the best thing, it's modern technology for Ukraine which may help them.