Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

[Ryuu96]

Biggerboat1 said:

Ryuu96 said:

Wouldn't say vapourware but Grant Shapps is a moron so anything he hypes up should be taken with a grain of salt, he's a big supporter of Ukraine but he's a huge step down from Ben Wallace in terms of actual knowledge. Anyway, I see little downside in giving Ukraine early military equipment that has yet to be rolled out as a sort of "testing" for said equipment, it's pretty much the only way Ukraine is going to get the most modern of equipment. I say we should give Ukraine a few early model SPEAR 5's.

Having said that, Ukraine needs equipment now alongside the experimental equipment, some experimental AD is irrelevant to their needs now, the West needs to grow a pair and make themselves uncomfortable, if it were up to me then every country would send at minimum 50% of their AD to Ukraine and more for those further West. Us in Western Europe do not need to hoard AD!!!

I just find it a bit unbelievable that the UK would be first to market with this kind of revolutionary tech (unless I'm just ignorant of the laser-weapon segment of the arms market).

I hope it comes to pass primarily & obviously so that Ukraine can safeguard their territory & people more effectively, but it'd also be awesome to see this thing in action from a purely vicarious sci-fi-come-to-life POV.

EDIT : it'd also be weird for us to be giving our state-of-the-art, developmental tech to Ukraine, when many other Western countries are donating their obsolete moth-eaten stuff.

Hey, I know UK's military has been gutted over the years but we're still pretty modern

For real though, I'm also ignorant and since it's Grant Shapps saying it who has no military background, I'd take it with a huge grain of salt, I see no harm in using Ukraine as a testing bed for weapons if it actually gets them modern stuff instead of outdated shit and from a pure military standpoint...It's smart to do as well...You aren't going to get better testing environments than this.

IIRC...Didn't UK already give Ukraine something which they've not yet deployed but is in testing phases? I'm struggling to remember what it was but I swear we already did it before...Guess we see the benefit in doing it, it would speed up development with real world data, a battle tested weapon will sell better to other nations and the best thing, it's modern technology for Ukraine which may help them.