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RolStoppable said:

Yup, that's the perfect way to sum it up.

No, the perfect answer is:

DO.NOT.FEED.THE.TROLL.



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drkohler said:
RolStoppable said:

Yup, that's the perfect way to sum it up.

No, the perfect answer is:

DO.NOT.FEED.THE.TROLL.

Nah, it's totally not. When the troll got already banned, he can't feast anymore. Worse for him, it's basically a free-for-all for all other users to call him whatever they want without getting punished. This is especially true in padib's case who is a real softie and lets things get to him easily. He's not going to laugh because he got so many responses, rather he's the type to cry.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

padib said:

I have a few questions for this thread:
- Does this thread foster discourse and open discussion towards constructivism and critical exchange of ideas?

Spreading misinformation and advocating for hatred is not up for discussion. 

I don't know what would bug me more. That you don't understand any basic positions here, or if you do understand them and you're intentionally being dishonest about them. 

padib said:

I have a few questions for this thread:
- Do you truly care about Ukrainians and their lives? If so, how much do you care inside?
- What are you hoping for Ukraine to achieve through this conflict? Does the goal justify the cost?

- What would have happened if Ukraine had stayed neutral and refused America's influence? Speak cost of life please.

Yes.

I hope they retain their freedom. You know what freedom is, right? (I know you're not able to reply to this, but just think about it)

padib said:

- Is Russia being threatened by NATO and if not explain.

- Is hatred towards Russians during this war at this moment racism in your view, or is it somehow exempt? What is your justification for hatred, and can hatred be justified? Is it acceptable to despise a person for the country they are born in and are loyal to without knowing anything about them?

- Why do you trust the west (USA, European countries)? Do they have a track-record of being clean in the past 50 years geopolitically?

There is no hatred for Russians.This is not an issue with the people, it is an issue with the government. A government that values power and money over the lives of people. I guess in your twisted world, those are Christian values. 

I don't trust the West. My question here would be why do you trust Russia when they've made plenty of statements that are every bit as dangerous as "the west" has claimed them to be.

padib said:

- How does this conflict lead us towards a better world?
- Are you proud of the current social fabric of the USA, Canada and European countries, the degradation of traditionally Christian values such as the traditional family, proliferation of sexual promiscuity, pornography, and media that encourages greed, egocentrism, hate, fear, deceit and blasphemy? Do you think this is a good direction for modern civilization? Is this a societal model you would like to see a traditionally orthodox Christian country like Ukraine follow? What are the implications for Ukraine's moral structure?

The ironic thing is that over half of your list is being pushed primarily by people that claim to have Christian values in the first place. 

Here you are, espousing "Christian values", while ignoring the greed and egocentrism that fuels Russia's president, the fear and hate that they've spread.

Maybe there would be less degradation of Christian values if Christians actually did half of what they're supposed to believe in.





…then, early in the morning, Ukrainians attacked the Soltsy-2 Air Base in the Novogorod region of the Russian Federation. Some 600km north of the border to Ukraine, and then – reportedly – by several quadcopters. One of UAVs hit a Tupolev Tu-22M-3 bomber while this was being refuelled, causing a conflagration: reportedly, two bombers were blown up, and a third damaged so severely that it was rendered irreparable. Latest reports are indicating 6-7 killed (including at least one pilot and four of the ground crew), and another 11 wounded. According to Russian reports, the air defences of this base were weakened: all radars and SAMs were withdrawn to bolster the defence of Moscow, and thus limited to 'few Kalashnikovs'. Four refurbished Kh-22 missiles and one fuel truck were destroyed, too.

Ukraine War, 21 August 2023: Hill 166 - Sarcastosaurus

Tom Cooper is saying that Ukraine took out 3 of those Tu-22M bombers.

Which is quite the strike because Russia only operates 60ish of them and their serviceability rate is ~50%.



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At least one aircraft has been damaged at the Shaikovka airfield in Kaluga Oblast, Russia, as a result of a drone attack; this mission was carried out in coordination with the Ukraine's Main Directorate of Intelligence.

Earlier, Russian Telegram channels reported a Ukrainian drone allegedly attempted to attack an airfield in Russian Kaluga Oblast on the morning of 21 August.

According to open sources, the Shaikovka airfield is used as storage for long-range aircraft of the Tu model, among others. Yurii Ihnat, spokesperson for the Air Force of Ukraine's Armed Forces, reported that on 15 August the Russians launched four Kh-22 cruise missiles on Ukraine from the Shaikovka airfield.

Attack on Shaikovka Airfield

Greece to Train Ukrainian Troops on F-16 | Ukrainska Pravda



the-pi-guy said:
padib said:

I have a few questions for this thread:
- Does this thread foster discourse and open discussion towards constructivism and critical exchange of ideas?

Spreading misinformation and advocating for hatred is not up for discussion. 

I don't know what would bug me more. That you don't understand any basic positions here, or if you do understand them and you're intentionally being dishonest about them. 

padib said:

I have a few questions for this thread:
- Do you truly care about Ukrainians and their lives? If so, how much do you care inside?
- What are you hoping for Ukraine to achieve through this conflict? Does the goal justify the cost?

- What would have happened if Ukraine had stayed neutral and refused America's influence? Speak cost of life please.

Yes.

I hope they retain their freedom. You know what freedom is, right? (I know you're not able to reply to this, but just think about it)

padib said:

- Is Russia being threatened by NATO and if not explain.

- Is hatred towards Russians during this war at this moment racism in your view, or is it somehow exempt? What is your justification for hatred, and can hatred be justified? Is it acceptable to despise a person for the country they are born in and are loyal to without knowing anything about them?

- Why do you trust the west (USA, European countries)? Do they have a track-record of being clean in the past 50 years geopolitically?

There is no hatred for Russians.This is not an issue with the people, it is an issue with the government. A government that values power and money over the lives of people. I guess in your twisted world, those are Christian values. 

I don't trust the West. My question here would be why do you trust Russia when they've made plenty of statements that are every bit as dangerous as "the west" has claimed them to be.

padib said:

- How does this conflict lead us towards a better world?
- Are you proud of the current social fabric of the USA, Canada and European countries, the degradation of traditionally Christian values such as the traditional family, proliferation of sexual promiscuity, pornography, and media that encourages greed, egocentrism, hate, fear, deceit and blasphemy? Do you think this is a good direction for modern civilization? Is this a societal model you would like to see a traditionally orthodox Christian country like Ukraine follow? What are the implications for Ukraine's moral structure?

The ironic thing is that over half of your list is being pushed primarily by people that claim to have Christian values in the first place. 

Here you are, espousing "Christian values", while ignoring the greed and egocentrism that fuels Russia's president, the fear and hate that they've spread.

Maybe there would be less degradation of Christian values if Christians actually did half of what they're supposed to believe in.

I'm not even Christian, but yes, CHRISTIANS are that one special group of people on Earth that have a set of values, an actual set of values in the traditional sense mind you, that may require abstinence of some sort of, self control, conviction, actual sacrifice, that they fail to live up to. You have this on lockdown. I don't know why you didn't post some charts and graphs, made using your own experiments, using a sophisticated series of models and equations, to show which people most closely follow their beliefs, religious, personal, or otherwise, to the letter, but I'll take your word for it.

Thanks for the outrageous, but not at all surprising shit-take, VGChartz moderator the-pi-guy!



Way to twist his words.



SecondWar said:

Way to twist his words.

OK so, this is directed at me. Maybe you decided to half-heartedly, indirectly respond to me without a quote, because you lack the courage of your convictions. Like most Christians do! And what was twisted? Please explain!



COKTOE said:

I'm not even Christian, but yes, CHRISTIANS are that one special group of people on Earth that have a set of values, an actual set of values in the traditional sense mind you, that may require abstinence of some sort of, self control, conviction, actual sacrifice, that they fail to live up to. You have this on lockdown. I don't know why you didn't post some charts and graphs, made using your own experiments, using a sophisticated series of models and equations, to show which people most closely follow their beliefs, religious, personal, or otherwise, to the letter, but I'll take your word for it.

Thanks for the outrageous, but not at all surprising shit-take, VGChartz moderator the-pi-guy!

I don't know what post you read. I wasn't calling out Christians as being all the bad guys in the room or something. Christians hold a lot of power in the US in particular, and padib brought them up, so I was talking about how they could do better and how they're not innocent of all of those things padib was excusing himself from.

And I say that as someone who has been a Christian most of their life.