If Switzerland wouldn't just hoard their equipment but use it to help countries who need help, Ukraine could get many more Leo 2s. Switzerland alone has still over 220 of them and they will just never use them. What are they supposed to do? Defend Switzerland? Countries around Switzerland defend Switzerland (also a reason they don't need to be part of NATO) and if some enemy would really be at their boarder then it would be too late for them.

Too bad it takes ages nowadays to get new equipment when you order it. Germany ordered 18 of the new Leo 2 A8 but it will take until 2025 before they get the first lol. I also don't understand why you only order the amount you have to replace. I would really appreciate if Ukraine could get some new tanks every month from now on and not one package and that's what they have to live with.

How long are the 60 or something Leo 2 and some Challenger 2 supposed to be enough? Some will get destroyed and they also need maintenance obviously. Especially modern tanks need so much maintenance that they are probably less in use as in some factory so that you also need some for rotation.

I heard that there was a whole convoy of these tanks that were ambushed and destroyed here and not just a single tank. For whatever reason, the tanks were apparently all traveling really close together.  Link: https://t.me/pilotblog/4499?single

Here is another link/post with the full 50 second video: https://t.me/pilotblog/4519 

If it were up to me, UK would hand over all its Challenger 2's.

Fuck we need them for? We're an island, Lol. Nobody is getting to us through Europe, Russia's pathetic Navy wouldn't even get through our austerity riddled Navy and Airforce. Most countries in the West could very easily get by with dumping a majority of their Tanks onto Ukraine to take down Russia.

Switzerland is annoying. High horse bullshit, they think if they ignore mass slaughter then it somehow makes them better than anyone else. They're literally surrounded by very powerful NATO allies so there's no defence excuse, Switzerland aren't ever going to send their Tanks to any other country at war with this same stupid logic either.

Honestly we should be moving into almost war time production for Ukraine in some aspects. They will lose a lot of tanks, it's expected, but we need to be replacing their losses, tanks are fucking useless against artillery spam but they're needed to get through the first line, which is spammed by artillery, so they're going to lose a lot.

Well, UK could need them in case UK will fight somewhere else in the future. You never know what will happen in 5 or 10 years. But Switzerland won't do it. There could be pretty much a war between the whole planet and they would do nothing and just be nice to the leaders of the winning countries like "we can still be your place to hide money"

It also sucks that the 130 Leopard 1 take so long. Wonder when Ukraine will get them...

The video above goes into detail about what happened. It was a group of 9 and a separate group of 11. The first group of 9 ran into mines which the Russians picked up on and then artillery spammed the area, they then monitored the area and detected the 2nd group of 11. It resulted in 1 Leopard 2 Tank lost and 4 APCs. Some others were damaged but pulled back.

The Ukrainians then de-mined more of the area and managed to move forward.

According to Oryx, Ukraine lost 4 Leopard 2 already and 3 of them of the better A6 of which they only got so few...all close together like how Russia lost theirs always with one big artillery strike. Seriously...

Some more maybe damaged, who knows. So like 10% already out of service with one big strike. 

Challenger 3's are only a few years away, lets bring it forward

I honestly don't know what Ukraine has right now, it's hard to keep track of, but I think across Leopard 1/2, Challenger 2's, they're in the 100+ Region. Plus all the Soviet tanks sent and captured. USA's last assessment was very positive about the amount of Tanks/Hardware which Ukraine has in the leak. Don't forget about the APCs as well, or the AFV's. The Bradley is a VERY capable vehicle which is nicknamed a tank killer and USA sent 100+

Unfortunately, we're going to see a lot of losses in this offensive, people should expect a slow grind Kherson offensive until they make a breakthrough, I hope Westerners can remain calm and reasonable and realise this is war, stuff will be lost, it isn't going to waste if it's destroyed, it took America 3 weeks to capture Baghdad and that was with air superiority and an overwhelming ground force, Russia has had time to prepare.

It'll be a slow grind, the tanks aren't going to sit at the back, they will be leading the charge, and tanks are useless against artillery, but on the plus side, all of the tank losses I've seen so far have came with the caveat of the armour saving the lives of the Ukrainians. What we need to do is replace the tank losses. I'm honestly more upset by the Iris-T loss than the Leopard 2 losses.

Where are you seeing this? Oryx only lists two Leopard tanks lost.

Attrition In Action: List Of Ukrainian Army Equipment Not Yet Destroyed By Russia - Oryx

•  Leopard 2A4 [February 2023] [First example destroyed in June 2023]
•  Leopard 2A6 [March 2023] [First example destroyed in June 2023]

And the 2A4/2A6 are in different locations.