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crissindahouse on 09 June 2023
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Ryuu96 said:
crissindahouse said:

If Switzerland wouldn't just hoard their equipment but use it to help countries who need help, Ukraine could get many more Leo 2s. Switzerland alone has still over 220 of them and they will just never use them. What are they supposed to do? Defend Switzerland? Countries around Switzerland defend Switzerland (also a reason they don't need to be part of NATO) and if some enemy would really be at their boarder then it would be too late for them.

Too bad it takes ages nowadays to get new equipment when you order it. Germany ordered 18 of the new Leo 2 A8 but it will take until 2025 before they get the first lol. I also don't understand why you only order the amount you have to replace. I would really appreciate if Ukraine could get some new tanks every month from now on and not one package and that's what they have to live with.

How long are the 60 or something Leo 2 and some Challenger 2 supposed to be enough? Some will get destroyed and they also need maintenance obviously. Especially modern tanks need so much maintenance that they are probably less in use as in some factory so that you also need some for rotation.

If it were up to me, UK would hand over all its Challenger 2's.

Fuck we need them for? We're an island, Lol. Nobody is getting to us through Europe, Russia's pathetic Navy wouldn't even get through our austerity riddled Navy and Airforce. Most countries in the West could very easily get by with dumping a majority of their Tanks onto Ukraine to take down Russia.

Switzerland is annoying. High horse bullshit, they think if they ignore mass slaughter then it somehow makes them better than anyone else. They're literally surrounded by very powerful NATO allies so there's no defence excuse, Switzerland aren't ever going to send their Tanks to any other country at war with this same stupid logic either.

Honestly we should be moving into almost war time production for Ukraine in some aspects. They will lose a lot of tanks, it's expected, but we need to be replacing their losses, tanks are fucking useless against artillery spam but they're needed to get through the first line, which is spammed by artillery, so they're going to lose a lot.

Well, UK could need them in case UK will fight somewhere else in the future. You never know what will happen in 5 or 10 years. But Switzerland won't do it. There could be pretty much a war between the whole planet and they would do nothing and just be nice to the leaders of the winning countries like "we can still be your place to hide money"

It also sucks that the 130 Leopard 1 take so long. Wonder when Ukraine will get them...