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Ryuu96 said:

Which VDV, the Russian one or Ukrainian one?



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CaptainExplosion said:
Ryuu96 said:

Which VDV, the Russian one or Ukrainian one?

Russians. Ukraine's is now called DShV.



Ryuu96 said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Which VDV, the Russian one or Ukrainian one?

Russians. Ukraine's is now called DShV.

Good. Russia really is wasting it's own troops.



Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 11 April 2023

If only there was a more effective way to help Ukraine.



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CaptainExplosion said:

If only there was a more effective way to help Ukraine.

As far as country assistance go, training is probably the most efficient thing you can do all things considered. It magnify any other form of help you can give them. Make sure they are well equiped, supplied and provided with food is also also paramount to Ukraine sucess but only as efficient as the quality of their training goes.

On personal level their is probably organisation close to you which you can volunteer. My other half did so last year, her task was as simple as to sort local public donation which was then sent to Ukraine.

Last edited by EpicRandy - on 11 April 2023

The West could still do a lot more as well Tbh.

Western MBTs took far too long to decide upon delivering and even after all of this time, the numbers being sent aren't yet enough. Additionally some countries have far fewer excuses to not take a hit in their MBT capacity than others, I'd argue only Eastern European countries should be afraid of that since most countries further West will fight any hypothetical wars with another superpower mainly via the air and seas.

Long-Range Missiles are taking too long, HIMARS was great but Russia has just moved their supply lines out of range, we have multiple missiles with the range to hit almost all Russian positions in Ukraine and devastate their logistical lines which would especially be important for any upcoming offensive but we're worried about Ukraine firing them into Russia...

Western Jets are taking far too long to decide upon as well and the decision should be to send them already. Let Ukraine enlist some of the former Western pilots who have already said they'd fight for Ukraine and begin the training for Ukrainian pilots now. All this time taken on deliberations means less Ukrainian pilots and tank crews available and rushed training because they don't have the time.

West should significantly increase artillery production as well, Russia is still out-shelling Ukraine and this grind-fest is just becoming an artillery battle.

I've just seen a video on Twitter of a Ukrainian POW being beheaded with a knife by some disgusting Russian Orcs (I'd recommend doing everything you can to avoid it) and some in the West are still worried about upsetting Putin even with them doing absolutely fuck all except bitch and cry about every "red line" we've crossed - Weapon supplies were a red line, missiles were a red line, tanks were a red line.

"Sometimes, a cornered rat is just a cornered rat."

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 12 April 2023

Ryuu96 said:

The West could still do a lot more as well Tbh.

Western MBTs took far too long to decide upon delivering and even after all of this time, the numbers being sent aren't yet enough. Additionally some countries have far fewer excuses to not take a hit in their MBT capacity than others, I'd argue only Eastern European countries should be afraid of that since most countries further West will fight any hypothetical wars with another superpower mainly via the air and seas.

Long-Range Missiles are taking too long, HIMARS was great but Russia has just moved their supply lines out of range, we have multiple missiles with the range to hit almost all Russian positions in Ukraine and devastate their logistical lines which would especially be important for any upcoming offensive but we're worried about Ukraine firing them into Russia...

Western Jets are taking far too long to decide upon as well and the decision should be to send them already. Let Ukraine enlist some of the former Western pilots who have already said they'd fight for Ukraine and begin the training for Ukrainian pilots now. All this time taken on deliberations means less Ukrainian pilots and tank crews available and rushed training because they don't have the time.

West should significantly increase artillery production as well, Russia is still out-shelling Ukraine and this grind-fest is just becoming an artillery battle.

I've just seen a video on Twitter of a Ukrainian POW being beheaded with a knife by some disgusting Russian Orcs (I'd recommend doing everything you can to avoid it) and some in the West are still worried about upsetting Putin even with them doing absolutely fuck all except bitch and cry about every "red line" we've crossed - Weapon supplies were a red line, missiles were a red line, tanks were a red line.

"Sometimes, a cornered rat is just a cornered rat."

Yes of course I agree on all those points I would very much like every country to up their support 10x over, but the efficiency of every equipment we can send to Ukraine is limited by the trainings we can give them on every one of these. That's why I think training is the most crucial support we can give Ukraine short of going there ourself. 

That said, I find it troubling that my country was able to allocate over $240 billion in 8 months to fight COVID-19 just a few years ago, but now can only provide a mere $3.8 billion to help Ukraine in a 1 year timeframe. Viewing this figure in another way, it appears that Canada perceives the Ukraine conflict to be over 60 times less important than fighting Covid. This is simply wrong and I would support my country to spend way way more. If Canada were to simply match the urgency and resolution it felt and used with COVID, Canada alone would have eclipsed every other country's contribution combined.





Lol. Bakhmut really has slowed to a crawl.