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Anduril Plans to Manufacture 7,000 Barracuda Cruise Missiles in 2027

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/anduril-manufacture-7000-barracuda-in-2027/

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I don't know if all of these are going to Ukraine, but what is certain is that Ukraine will need the majority of these which will bring the cost of building missles down to a great degree.



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Latest video from Kings & Generals about the Russian invasion of Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1382H4Y1MI

The script was written in late June to early July, and it shows, as it only has gone downhill from there for Russia.



shavenferret said:
SecondWar said:

If Russia is using them for a military purpose, then they are legitimate targets and thus its not a war crime.

I meant that Russian military vehicles attempting to pose as civilian ones should be a war crime

Oh, get you. Yeah, that probably is.



SecondWar said:
shavenferret said:

I meant that Russian military vehicles attempting to pose as civilian ones should be a war crime

Oh, get you. Yeah, that probably is.

Last I heard, military personnel had to be identifiable as military personnel instead of civilians. I don't know the exact rule that's based on, but assuming I've heard correctly, I would assume it applies to equipment (including vehicles) as well.



Zkuq said:
SecondWar said:

Oh, get you. Yeah, that probably is.

Last I heard, military personnel had to be identifiable as military personnel instead of civilians. I don't know the exact rule that's based on, but assuming I've heard correctly, I would assume it applies to equipment (including vehicles) as well.

It is a war crime, specifically perfidy.  In war, it is illegal to:

Pretend to be dead to ambush the enemy

Pretend to be wounded to ambush an enemy

Pretend to surrender 

Pretend to accept a surrender

Pretend to negotiate a truce or alliance to gain a military advantage/allow for a surprise attack

Disguise military personnel or equipment as civilian

And a few other things.  Basically, the kinds of deception that will increase civilian collateral damage and erode the necessary trusted frameworks that allow forces to surrender and good faith negotiations to take place.



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Nuvendil said:
Zkuq said:

Last I heard, military personnel had to be identifiable as military personnel instead of civilians. I don't know the exact rule that's based on, but assuming I've heard correctly, I would assume it applies to equipment (including vehicles) as well.

It is a war crime, specifically perfidy.  In war, it is illegal to:

Pretend to be dead to ambush the enemy

Pretend to be wounded to ambush an enemy

Pretend to surrender 

Pretend to accept a surrender

Pretend to negotiate a truce or alliance to gain a military advantage/allow for a surprise attack

Disguise military personnel or equipment as civilian

And a few other things.  Basically, the kinds of deception that will increase civilian collateral damage and erode the necessary trusted frameworks that allow forces to surrender and good faith negotiations to take place.

OK, thanks for the clarification! All this makes a lot of sense to me, although the pretending to negotiation a truce/alliance part still surprises me somewhat.



Zkuq said:
Nuvendil said:

It is a war crime, specifically perfidy.  In war, it is illegal to:

Pretend to be dead to ambush the enemy

Pretend to be wounded to ambush an enemy

Pretend to surrender 

Pretend to accept a surrender

Pretend to negotiate a truce or alliance to gain a military advantage/allow for a surprise attack

Disguise military personnel or equipment as civilian

And a few other things.  Basically, the kinds of deception that will increase civilian collateral damage and erode the necessary trusted frameworks that allow forces to surrender and good faith negotiations to take place.

OK, thanks for the clarification! All this makes a lot of sense to me, although the pretending to negotiation a truce/alliance part still surprises me somewhat.

So worth noting a lot of these warcrime concepts formulated in the 19th and early 20th centuries following a period of centuries of almost constant warfare on the European continent where it was observed that backroom deals and deceptions and secret negotiations and exploitation of the common rules of war and such consistently amplified the destructiveness of conflicts. This gave rise to informal rules about general conduct in warfare that were codified beginning in the mid 1800s.

If neither side can trust the other to negotiate in good faith, accept a surrender, offer a surrender, distinguish themselves from civilians, etc, then the only logical course is wars of annihilation.  That is why perfidy is a war crime.



Nuvendil said:
Zkuq said:

OK, thanks for the clarification! All this makes a lot of sense to me, although the pretending to negotiation a truce/alliance part still surprises me somewhat.

So worth noting a lot of these warcrime concepts formulated in the 19th and early 20th centuries following a period of centuries of almost constant warfare on the European continent where it was observed that backroom deals and deceptions and secret negotiations and exploitation of the common rules of war and such consistently amplified the destructiveness of conflicts. This gave rise to informal rules about general conduct in warfare that were codified beginning in the mid 1800s.

If neither side can trust the other to negotiate in good faith, accept a surrender, offer a surrender, distinguish themselves from civilians, etc, then the only logical course is wars of annihilation.  That is why perfidy is a war crime.

Ah. I knew the rules were written a good while ago now and there were hence historical wisdoms behind those rules, but I wasn't that deeply aware of the context. Thanks for another clarification!



Ukraine has destroyed another A-95 strategic bomber at Engels airbase.

Apologies but I don’t have time to post a link for reference.



It has been a wild week with Ukraine’s military politics. So, Ukraine’s defense minister fedorov got sacked due to his criticism of head general Syrsky, and criticism of corruption. Then, massive protests have occurred. I believe zelensky reinstated fedorov so that there wouldn’t be a revolt. Now, they might be looking to replace commander Syrsky because he has this old Soviet sort of mentality towards fighting (heavy on artillery) when they want to win without excessive casualties.