By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics Discussion - Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

Nice work by Ukraine! Winning back their country piece by piece until they win peace.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Around the Network

Well there was one sane Russian in that panel.

Can't believe the other dickhead told him to watch his language basically saying you will be dead if you against the war.

And as for the 2024 election, it will probably be rigged no matter how the people vote.



 

 

Ryuu96 said:

"Remarkable"?

A group of people are running through a forest, finally arriving at an already destroyed car.

Video shows aimlessly shooting and running around guys at everywhere (from within the forest as well). They all survived because the car wasn't a trap. Else anyone in this circus would be dead. (Why can't I edit out the top three Robe Lee lines here?)



drkohler said:
Ryuu96 said:

"Remarkable"?

A group of people are running through a forest, finally arriving at an already destroyed car.

Video shows aimlessly shooting and running around guys at everywhere (from within the forest as well). They all survived because the car wasn't a trap. Else anyone in this circus would be dead. (Why can't I edit out the top three Robe Lee lines here?)

'Aimlessly shooting' It's called cover fire and I would assume it is common practice while closing in onto something which can be used as cover.

'They all survived because the car wasn't a trap' Trapping and already destroyed vehicle isn't likely, so I would assume here that you were referring to the possibility of it being an ambush. The video doesn't give much info has to what they did prior to recording but your assumption is that they operated with 0 hindsight which isn't likely. For all we know they could literally have made sure the woods were clear prior to engaging with the target. Also context might be key here, if it's an area the Russian fled recently than it's unlikely that troops remains to ambush as it would literally be suicidal. Lastly you have to assume that what forced the vehicle off the road and to overturn is more than likely to be something of Ukrainian origin, probably this very same group of people. So their prior knowledge onto the vehicle and it's context might have been more than enough to know that it wasn't a trap.

Last edited by EpicRandy - on 12 September 2022

These cowards equate patriotism with crimes against civilian populations. But, these sorts of promotions of violence warrants some sort of justice to be served against them. This should be something on the negotiation table for peace, that those using media to promote war crimes to be arrested, prosecuted, judged, and sentenced in Ukrainian courts. Russia should be obliged to cooperate with the Ukrainian courts of law should they deem assets of these propagandists be seized to pay for damages they promoted in Ukraine.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Around the Network
Ryuu96 said:

I don't know enough about the conflict between these two countries but my understanding on a little of it is that Russia has a peacekeeping force between them both and if Azerbaijan were to go to war with Armenia, then Russia would have to defend them? Armenia is part of CSTO so if Russia didn't defend them, it would basically make CSTO look useless.

Kazakhstan is a member too but with their recent comments towards Russia, I doubt they'd be rushing to help them. Seems like Azerbaijan has smelt blood in the water with Russia's weak military and decided to take an opportunity to attack...Russia should fuck off out of Ukraine and defend someone who actually needs them.

Haven't researched the original conflict enough but Azerbaijan is definitely in the wrong for attacking recognized territory of Armenia and if Russia wasn't being a twat in Ukraine, then this probably wouldn't be happening. If Azerbaijan does a full-scale attack on Armenia and Russia doesn't defend them then this will end CSTO and create another conflict, what a mess.

Hopefully a ceasefire happens.

It seems when there is war, Armenia always loses in the end.

This is really bad because Armenia relied on mostly Russia to keep their territory intact. When the US or other western countries wanted to intervene, it was completely blocked by Turkey and Russia, so even in the event that Russia would allow help to come from the west, the NATO member Turkey would not.



Ryuu96 said:

I don't know enough about the conflict between these two countries but my understanding on a little of it is that Russia has a peacekeeping force between them both and if Azerbaijan were to go to war with Armenia, then Russia would have to defend them? Armenia is part of CSTO so if Russia didn't defend them, it would basically make CSTO look useless.

Kazakhstan is a member too but with their recent comments towards Russia, I doubt they'd be rushing to help them. Seems like Azerbaijan has smelt blood in the water with Russia's weak military and decided to take an opportunity to attack...Russia should fuck off out of Ukraine and defend someone who actually needs them.

Haven't researched the original conflict enough but Azerbaijan is definitely in the wrong for attacking recognized territory of Armenia and if Russia wasn't being a twat in Ukraine, then this probably wouldn't be happening. If Azerbaijan does a full-scale attack on Armenia and Russia doesn't defend them then this will end CSTO and create another conflict, what a mess.

Hopefully a ceasefire happens.

That conflict is rather complicated and can get very messy. I was following the 2020 war there and it basically seems like Russia used it as a way to bring Armenia back under its influence. I also seriously doubt if Azerbaijan invaded that Russia would intervene. They aren’t a benevolent protector, they’d only do it if they felt there was something in it for them.

The background is after the Soviet Union broke apart, an area of Azerbaijan that is majority Armenian wanted to breakaway and join Armenia. Azerbaijan weren’t exactly keen on this (the why is a much longer story) which caused the first Nagorno-Karabakh War they result in defacto independence for Artsakh (the Armenian name for Nagorno-Karabakh). Azerbaijan sort to reclaim the area in the 2020 and retook about half of the territories under Artsakh’s control.

But under the same principle it claims Artsakh as theirs, they say much of Armenia is also historically theirs, including the Armenian capital. The 2020 war ended with Armenia still controlling the central part of Artsakh, including the key city of Stepankert, with Russian peacekeepers there for 5 years. It was kinda obvious it was left as unfinished business and that the war would result sooner or later.

For those wondering about Turkey’s role, Azerbaijan is a Turkic state and is an very close ally of Turkey. They often describe themselves as ‘one nation, two states’.



SecondWar said:

For those wondering about Turkey’s role, Azerbaijan is a Turkic state and is an very close ally of Turkey. They often describe themselves as ‘one nation, two states’.

In a nutshell, Armenia is a christian state surrounded by muslim states. They are kind of the Jews in the eastern world,eEverybody can attack them and noone is going to help. Azerbaijan basically took advantage of weakend Russian presence and started doing what they have always wanted. Turkey watches and if the Azeris make gains, Turkey will attack Armenia to get a piece of the pie. It's not like there is a history between Turkey and Armenia....



drkohler said:
SecondWar said:

For those wondering about Turkey’s role, Azerbaijan is a Turkic state and is an very close ally of Turkey. They often describe themselves as ‘one nation, two states’.

In a nutshell, Armenia is a christian state surrounded by muslim states. They are kind of the Jews in the eastern world,eEverybody can attack them and noone is going to help. Azerbaijan basically took advantage of weakend Russian presence and started doing what they have always wanted. Turkey watches and if the Azeris make gains, Turkey will attack Armenia to get a piece of the pie. It's not like there is a history between Turkey and Armenia....

Not quite that simple. Armenia’s closest ally after Russia is Iran. Azerbaijan’s closest ally after Turkey is Israel.



Ryuu96 said:

Well, yeah. What did you expect? I not sure exactly what crime it would be but tis likely to be along the lines of treason or sedition.

Ryuu96 said:

Here's hoping for some good news in the next few days.

Last edited by SecondWar - on 13 September 2022