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Ryuu96 said:

Unfortunately I have zero belief that Russians will ever turn against Putin.

And if they do, it will be because they think Putin isn't killing Ukraine quick enough.

Actually, there's quite some discontent to Putin, but for a very different reason that the war actually amplifies: Immigrants.

Putin has pretty much an open-door immigration plan in place for at least a decade to bolster the population numbers of Russia. Navalny, while also much more democratically inclined than Putin, actually had the same stance as the nationalists in this regard to shut down the borders and make Russia Russian again. And it's actually this stance that gave him most potential voters, not his plans for a more democratic Russia, though that also attracted some potential voters of course.

Due to the war, Russians are dying and more and more foreigners are hired to work their factories as Russia has full employment. While the population is very much fully distracted from this issue right now with the war in Ukraine, it could become a fatal problem for Putin the moment the war ends, hence yet another reason to stall on top of the economic reasons I mentioned before. But stalling also just makes the issue going worse down the line so again, there's no easy way out of this for Putin.



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Ryuu96 said:

So basically Trump's defence is that it is understandable that Putin didn't go because Trump didn't go, Lmfao.

I'm sorry, if this not a war between Ukraine and Russia? Did you not say you would stay out of it and they need to negotiate between each other?

This dude is such a fucking pathetic sack of shit, I thought Biden was spineless, fucking Christ this dude is an embarrassment, it's like we're watching him act out his public embarrassment kink/fetish with how many times he has accepted Putin openly spit in his face and trolling him, how many times he has pathetically accepted Putin rejecting his ceasefire proposals and then he rushes to make excuses for him, fucking hell bring back Biden and Jake Sullivans escalation management! LOL.

Von Der Leyen or Kallas should should also be part of the next round of peace talks. After all, Europe is much more involved into this than the US ever would be.



I was more talking about during the war, I don't believe Russians will turn against Putin no matter how many of them that he sends to their deaths, I think Russians are split into those who disagree with the war, those who support the war, those who don't care and the silent terrified portion who may disagree but won't say or do anything about it because Putin is too intimidating.

A lot of Russians who disagree with the war already fled Russia, but even before then, the anti-war protests in Russia itself were pathetically small, there were bigger protests made by women in Iran who have next to no rights. There's a sizeable portion of Russians who simply agree with the war, a sizeable portion who believe in dying for the motherland and "might makes right" and we see all the time Russian families expressing fighting for Russia as something to be proud of, mothers overjoyed that their son died for Mother Russia, it's weird.

The biggest shot Russia had at regime change was Wagner, that says it all really, Wagner had sizeable public support but they weren't against the war, they were in fact demanding that Putin goes even harder on Ukraine, Russian's who supported Wagner wanted Ukraine to die faster. There was Navalny. I remember being told they'd be protests at his death, he'd be a martyr! Nope, nothing, he was murdered by Putin and there was barely a peep from his supporters.

Putin won against Navalnvy (who, wasn't exactly a saint himself and is disliked by Ukrainians for good reason, he was anti-Putin but still a massive nationalist and no friend of Ukraine), Putin won against Prigohzin. He took down both of his biggest opponents with ease and barely any instability to his rule, which does make it understandable why people are also terrified of him.

And then most of Russia's army is made up of desperate people from Eastern Russia. He is already purging the minorities via this war. Moscow and St Petersburg have barely been touched. It's easy to pay people to go to war who already have nothing and what are they going to do about it? People with nothing aren't going to overthrow Putin and Moscow/St Petersburg will continue to not care.

So I can't see it, I've lost all hope in Russians saving the day, Putin will remain leader and either die as leader or put one of his successors in charge to continue his agenda and retire in peace, the only way Putin is forcibly removed is via assassination from another country, Imo. Maybe post-war there's a small chance but only if Russians see it as Putin losing which they might do if he is forced into accepting only parts of Ukraine after all of this, then they will just elect some other sicko who is potentially even worse.

Basically Russians won't save the day, even if they do remove Putin, he will just be replaced by someone equally as sick, likely worse.

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One notable member of Russia’s delegation in Turkey is Igor Kostyukov, head of the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency, which has been behind some of Moscow’s most notorious covert operations in recent years.

Kostyukov has been sanctioned by the US for his alleged role in interfering in the 2016 presidential election, and by the UK for the 2018 poisoning of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal in Salisbury, which killed Dawn Sturgess.

Most recently, the GRU has been accused of orchestrating a series of sabotage operations across Europe, including arson attacks, cyber intrusions, data theft, and attempts to target undersea cables.

Ukraine war live: Russian team a ‘theatre prop’, says Zelenskyy as Putin fails to attend Turkish talks

Don't bother meeting this team, it's a complete waste of time and potentially a security risk.

  • Aide with no power
  • Two deputies
  • Dude who orchestrated an assassination attempt in the UK.
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Russia is quietly amassing forces near the front for a new offensive aimed at seizing more territory, CNN reports.

US officials say Putin still seeks gains in eastern Ukraine—possibly even near Kyiv—despite US calls for a 30-day ceasefire.

www.cnn.com/world/live-n...

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 15 May 2025 at 12:38

Trump: LEAVE PUTIN ALONE! HE WANTS PEACE! DON'T MAKE ME BE TOUGH ON HIM! LETS GIVE HIM ANOTHER FEW MONTHS.



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🇺🇸 Trump: Nothing is going to happen with Russia and Ukraine until Putin and I get together.

🥱 Trump: I know nothing about the Russian delegation in Türkiye. I am not disappointed with it.

— MAKS 24 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 15 May 2025 at 13:04

Lmfao. I'm fucking second hand embarrassed. This dude is so fucking pathetic.



Ryuu96 said:

Unfortunately I have zero belief that Russians will ever turn against Putin.

And if they do, it will be because they think Putin isn't killing Ukraine quick enough.

I agree. The Russians have been thoroughly subjugated and indoctrinated. Hence why I said that Putin has a nearly bottomless supply of young men he can throw into the meat grinder. As long as they beat Ukraine, they don't really care how many Russian men die.



Let's just hope the Ukrainian delegation won't come back and die from a Novichok attack or something like that. Wouldn't surprise me if Putin would do that to try to use the chaos happening in Ukraine as chance.



America is a total fucking embarrassment right now.



🇺🇦👀 Ukraine is considering sending a representative of “appropriate level” to participate in talks with Russia in Istanbul to hear its position, — Reuters.

— MAKS 24 👀🇺🇦 (@maks23.bsky.social) 15 May 2025 at 13:21

💩 - That's what the Russian delegation is worth, send them that to negotiate with.

Ukraine’s delegation in Turkey reportedly includes President Zelensky, Foreign Minister Sybiiha, Chief of the General Staff Hnatov, SBU Head Malyuk, Defense Minister Umerov, and Head of the Presidential Office Yermak—a high-level presence at the talks.

Russia? Represented by junior officials.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 15 May 2025 at 11:05

  • President of Ukraine.
  • Foreign Minister.
  • Chief of General Staff.
  • SBU Head.
  • Defence Minister
  • Head of Presidential Office.

VS

  • An Aide (No Actual Power)
  • A Deputy (Not Even The Head)
  • A Deputy (Not Even The Head)
  • GRU Head (Some Fucking Assassin)
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 15 May 2025