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Paatar said:

As much as I know people love game pass—I’m worried about the inevitable. It only takes one subscription to start up tons more. Netflix was one of the first to do so, now look at how many streaming services there are for television. It’s becoming ridiculous, and the same thing will happen with game streaming subscription services. Soon there will be too many to where it gets overwhelming when the competition starts to see the revenue benefits. I think that’s just an ugly future.

My in laws subscribe to Netflix and share with us, we subscribe to the Disney/Hulu and share with family, which allows my brother/sister in law to subscribe to HBO Max to share with whoever. Prime we all have because we recoup that money easily with free shipping and other features like Audible.

We also subscribed to Peacock recently. We are all, collectively, saving a fortune in not all having individual television packages, have way less commercials to watch, and can watch content whenever we want.

If Nintendo, Sony, and others each want to make a Gamepass, it will improve the experience for the vast majority of gamers.

Subscription is the future. Owning a game that most of us never touch again just so we can call it "ours" is the past.



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Dulfite said:
Paatar said:

As much as I know people love game pass—I’m worried about the inevitable. It only takes one subscription to start up tons more. Netflix was one of the first to do so, now look at how many streaming services there are for television. It’s becoming ridiculous, and the same thing will happen with game streaming subscription services. Soon there will be too many to where it gets overwhelming when the competition starts to see the revenue benefits. I think that’s just an ugly future.

My in laws subscribe to Netflix and share with us, we subscribe to the Disney/Hulu and share with family, which allows my brother/sister in law to subscribe to HBO Max to share with whoever. Prime we all have because we recoup that money easily with free shipping and other features like Audible.

We also subscribed to Peacock recently. We are all, collectively, saving a fortune in not all having individual television packages, have way less commercials to watch, and can watch content whenever we want.

If Nintendo, Sony, and others each want to make a Gamepass, it will improve the experience for the vast majority of gamers.

Subscription is the future. Owning a game that most of us never touch again just so we can call it "ours" is the past.

No wonder why humanity is doomed to a dystopian future.

Game preservation will go down in the drain faster than you might think if it's the future you want to pursue.



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Dulfite said:
Paatar said:

As much as I know people love game pass—I’m worried about the inevitable. It only takes one subscription to start up tons more. Netflix was one of the first to do so, now look at how many streaming services there are for television. It’s becoming ridiculous, and the same thing will happen with game streaming subscription services. Soon there will be too many to where it gets overwhelming when the competition starts to see the revenue benefits. I think that’s just an ugly future.

My in laws subscribe to Netflix and share with us, we subscribe to the Disney/Hulu and share with family, which allows my brother/sister in law to subscribe to HBO Max to share with whoever. Prime we all have because we recoup that money easily with free shipping and other features like Audible.

We also subscribed to Peacock recently. We are all, collectively, saving a fortune in not all having individual television packages, have way less commercials to watch, and can watch content whenever we want.

If Nintendo, Sony, and others each want to make a Gamepass, it will improve the experience for the vast majority of gamers.

Subscription is the future. Owning a game that most of us never touch again just so we can call it "ours" is the past.

Never shared games and movies with friends and family?
Buy them second hand, sell them on, trade?

Your subscription sharing is basically breaking the tos and not guaranteed to remain possible in the long run. Same for gamepass and ps now sharing. With physical items you can always do what you want.

Not a future I like either, but I do see it heading that way.



Dulfite said:
Paatar said:

As much as I know people love game pass—I’m worried about the inevitable. It only takes one subscription to start up tons more. Netflix was one of the first to do so, now look at how many streaming services there are for television. It’s becoming ridiculous, and the same thing will happen with game streaming subscription services. Soon there will be too many to where it gets overwhelming when the competition starts to see the revenue benefits. I think that’s just an ugly future.

My in laws subscribe to Netflix and share with us, we subscribe to the Disney/Hulu and share with family, which allows my brother/sister in law to subscribe to HBO Max to share with whoever. Prime we all have because we recoup that money easily with free shipping and other features like Audible.

We also subscribed to Peacock recently. We are all, collectively, saving a fortune in not all having individual television packages, have way less commercials to watch, and can watch content whenever we want.

If Nintendo, Sony, and others each want to make a Gamepass, it will improve the experience for the vast majority of gamers.

Subscription is the future. Owning a game that most of us never touch again just so we can call it "ours" is the past.



you have family that’s willing to do that, not everyone does. It’s great that it works for you, but to say it’ll improve the experience for the vast majority isn’t really realistic. The number of services keeps increasing, and eventually the amount of subscriptions for shows will reach a cap and several will be shut down. The same thing would inevitably happen to games.

DVD and Blu-ray exist alongside all these streaming services. To say physical media is the past is just ignorant. Physical media in games will always exist. Even look at music, CD’s and Vinyl’s have been making a comeback the last few years. 



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KiigelHeart said:
SvennoJ said:

MS has been making the console less relevant for years now. I think they want out of the hardware market, but doing it the Nintendo way. The Switch is practically there for the ones that were playing Nintendo games on console to switch to handheld (that can also work on tv). MS has been propping up their PC presence with gamepass and the xbox app, getting people to switch from buying games on console to play anywhere through gamepass.

True every CoD player on Playstation is a potential GP subscriber, but there are far more people playing mobile games.

Console/PC is the foundation for gamepass, mobile is what will build the sky scraper on top with xCloud and more mobile oriented games.

Once gamepass is available on TV and smartphones, what would the point for MS to keep making boxes?

Sell hardware, sell 3rd (and 1st party) games and mtx on their platform, sell live services and gp subs.. to millions of hardcore gamers who prefer gaming on console or PC and are spending good money. Gamers who play multiplayer games and want the best performance. It's a huge community and business.

I don't see how game pass would thrive by being just a Netflix of games amongst other subscription services and mobile games.

The margins on hardware are slim and only getting slimmer now there isn't really a second half of the generation any more where the bulk of sales generate a profit on hardware. It has become harder to make cheaper slim models next to sales becomes more front loaded.

The XBox app will be the main platform and will be available on PC, TV and mobile phones. I doubt gamepass will ever come onto Sony consoles, but I see it as very possible that it will come to Sony TVs, build into Android. Who knows MS might even be working on a TV OS themselves to become the Windows for TV. That's where MS thrives. MS always wanted a PC in every living room. However Apple beat them to putting a PC in everyone's hand, skipping the living room. MS tried to get into the phone market but was too late. Now hey have a chance with gamepass to get a foot in the TV and mobile market all at once.

Consoles will still be around for a while, yet once xCloud takes off, the masses will go for convenience. We've seen it with music, we've seen it with movies and tv. Consoles will becomes less important just like CD and blu-ray players.

PC will be the place for the hardcore gamers. MS already succeeded in getting Sony to follow putting their games on PC. Next is making PS consoles less desirable by removing the big games on the platform, future CoDs etc, while offering them with gamepass on PC and phones. Then gamepass can thrive on PC, TV and smart phones.



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SKMBlake said:
Angelus said:

He also admitted later that he was wrong about that figure.

He said "probably 22 million yeah".

But since then, everybody assumed it was correct, we even got this kind of article https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2021/04/22/30-million-xbox-game-pass-subscriptions-by-halo-infinite-seems-guaranteed/

Since those numbers weren't from official sources, and it seems unlikely that it only grew by 2 million since then, I'm guessing that insider was probably incorrect.

Would be interesting to see MS continue to report growth in subscribers, as this is an important business model for the industry going forward.



Hiku said:
SKMBlake said:

He said "probably 22 million yeah".

But since then, everybody assumed it was correct, we even got this kind of article https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2021/04/22/30-million-xbox-game-pass-subscriptions-by-halo-infinite-seems-guaranteed/

Since those numbers weren't from official sources, and it seems unlikely that it only grew by 2 million since then, I'm guessing that insider was probably incorrect.

Would be interesting to see MS continue to report growth in subscribers, as this is an important business model for the industry going forward.

I mean, if you look at it from another way, PS Now and Xbox Live were already subscription services so it was and is already an important buisness model in the industry.



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Mar1217 said:
Hiku said:

Since those numbers weren't from official sources, and it seems unlikely that it only grew by 2 million since then, I'm guessing that insider was probably incorrect.

Would be interesting to see MS continue to report growth in subscribers, as this is an important business model for the industry going forward.

I mean, if you look at it from another way, PS Now and Xbox Live were already subscription services so it was and is already an important buisness model in the industry.

Right, subscription services have been a common thing for a while. But I was thinking specifically about one that focuses on Day 1 release as a major selling point.

Last edited by Hiku - on 20 January 2022

Paatar said:
Dulfite said:

My in laws subscribe to Netflix and share with us, we subscribe to the Disney/Hulu and share with family, which allows my brother/sister in law to subscribe to HBO Max to share with whoever. Prime we all have because we recoup that money easily with free shipping and other features like Audible.

We also subscribed to Peacock recently. We are all, collectively, saving a fortune in not all having individual television packages, have way less commercials to watch, and can watch content whenever we want.

If Nintendo, Sony, and others each want to make a Gamepass, it will improve the experience for the vast majority of gamers.

Subscription is the future. Owning a game that most of us never touch again just so we can call it "ours" is the past.



you have family that’s willing to do that, not everyone does. It’s great that it works for you, but to say it’ll improve the experience for the vast majority isn’t really realistic. The number of services keeps increasing, and eventually the amount of subscriptions for shows will reach a cap and several will be shut down. The same thing would inevitably happen to games.

DVD and Blu-ray exist alongside all these streaming services. To say physical media is the past is just ignorant. Physical media in games will always exist. Even look at music, CD’s and Vinyl’s have been making a comeback the last few years. 

In one paragraph you complain about subscription services and in the very next one you admit that DVD and Blu-ray exist alongside all these streaming services. Now, I´m curious, exactly how does the existence of Netflix and Disney Plus stop you from purchasing your movies?



Looks like its moving at a snails pase. If and when these adquisitions start to deliver I could see some growth but I also expect a price invcrease that will slow growth. Theres also no telling how many people subbed for a month when both halo and forza launched then just quit after.



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