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SvennoJ said:

Sony is also not against using multiple discs. I just rebought Tlou2 yesterday, comes on 2 discs. No Internet required.

My internet has been getting worse. The average for Canada is 59.6 mbps, but an average doesn't mean much when it crashes during prime time. My speed varies between 100+ mbps and 2.5 mbps down (last weekend). 18 mbps up, purely down stream congestion.

Cloud streaming was still possible before the pandemic, but the current infrastructure simply can't handle the increased demand for video streaming, there's nothing left to put game streaming on top.

Atm, 10:20 AM, 78 mbps down, 14 mbps up, 10 ms ping. Yet when sitting down to game in the evening, better play an off-line game :/

Interesting experience, I've had essentially no difference in my service before and during the pandemic.  I guess it's very regional, perhaps even neighbourhood-by-neighbourhood.  If my service ever got that bad, my first thought would be to switch to another provider.  I suppose if every provider had a similar service reduction, then I'm not sure what I'd do.

I'm the first to admit that cloud streaming isn't for everyone.  I have a great experience, but I have gigabit internet, and live only a couple of hundred kilometres from Microsoft's headquarters in Redmond Washington, so I have some baked-in advantages.  :)

Interesting that they actually included multiple discs for TLoU2.  Huh.  Well, I don't see anything wrong with that, especially for a re-release/remaster/GotY Edition where the game will be little changed after being pressed, because the game has matured to a relatively stable/complete state.  I think having a relatively complete game on disc is of much less value for the initial pressing of the game at launch, since the more updates/patches the game gets over time the less relevant the data on the disc becomes.  That doesn't mean it's a bad thing to have a relatively complete game on the disc at launch, it's just less of an advantage than having a complete version in a later pressing.

But I don't miss physical media.  Nor am I obsessed about whether I "own" or "control" the game or not.  The space savings alone makes digital distribution the superior choice for me, and my internet is plenty fast for downloading even the largest of games, whatever "preservation" or "control"-related downsides there may be.  But I am glad physical media is still around for those who (unlike me) might experience a net benefit from it.

Last edited by scrapking - on 26 December 2021

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AllfatherStarr said:

As someone from a smaller town in India, I disagree with some of your points.

A $400 dollar phone or a console is a luxury for sure, but not outside the realm of a once a year splurge spending. Of course this does not apply to rural India, and not 1.4 billion Indians, but the Indian middle class for whom its a possibility is fairly large, probably in the tens of millions if not a hundred. 

Fiber Internet has exploded in the past year or so. I subscribe to a 100 Mbps connection that roughly costs $10 dollars a month. If I went for 30 Mbps, it would be $5.  This is from a provider who has pretty much nationwide presence, and has forced there competitors to match those prices. Its been a year and I have had one outage, which is significantly better , and cheaper, than the experience I had with US providers while was living there.

Thanks for the on-the-ground feedback!  Interesting to hear that it's changed so much in India recently.  Yes, any country with a growing middle class can experience substantial changes in consumer behaviour in a short period of time.  And your comments speak to my point that even a reasonably small percentage change in a large country can add up to a lot of new consumers (tens of millions, potentially up to 100 million, as you point out in the case of India).

And it's not necessarily about a lot more sales in any one country, it can be about a little bit more sales in a lot of countries.



scrapking said:

Interesting experience, I've had essentially no difference in my service before and during the pandemic.  I guess it's very regional, perhaps even neighbourhood-by-neighbourhood.  If my service ever got that bad, my first thought would be to switch to another provider.  I suppose if every provider had a similar service reduction, then I'm not sure what I'd do.

I'm the first to admit that cloud streaming isn't for everyone.  I have a great experience, but I have gigabit internet, and live only a couple of hundred kilometres from Microsoft's headquarters in Redmond Washington, so I have some baked-in advantages.  :)

Interesting that they actually included multiple discs for TLoU2.  Huh.  Well, I don't see anything wrong with that, especially for a re-release/remaster/GotY Edition where the game will be little changed after being pressed, because the game has matured to a relatively stable/complete state.  I think having a relatively complete game on disc is of much less value for the initial pressing of the game at launch, since the more updates/patches the game gets over time the less relevant the data on the disc becomes.  That doesn't mean it's a bad thing to have a relatively complete game on the disc at launch, it's just less of an advantage than having a complete version in a later pressing.

But I don't miss physical media.  Nor am I obsessed about whether I "own" or "control" the game or not.  The space savings alone makes digital distribution the superior choice for me, and my internet is plenty fast for downloading even the largest of games, whatever "preservation" or "control"-related downsides there may be.  But I am glad physical media is still around for those who (unlike me) might experience a net benefit from it.

I live in a small town, no fiber here and the only alternative to cable is 10 mbps through the phone line. (Which isn't stable either) We're happy to get HD on Netflix in the evening, if it works at all. So game streaming is simply not an option, unless you like endless frustration.

Funny, I see physical as space saving. When I need room for a new game, just delete the physical installs. The digital ones stay since they can take a long time to download again. Patches are a pita though. This morning some game had a 14GB patch while I was trying to play GT Sport. It took well over an hour to download, and during the 3 races I did on PS5 it seemed my internet was scrambled. Cars jumping all over the place, major lag. First I blamed my internet, yet after I switched to ps4 pro (while the ps5 kept on downloading) racing was smooth again. Maybe the PS5 can't handle downloading while playing, or my internet cleared up right as I switched. It's Sunday, second worst internet day after Saturday :/



SvennoJ said:

I live in a small town, no fiber here and the only alternative to cable is 10 mbps through the phone line. (Which isn't stable either) We're happy to get HD on Netflix in the evening, if it works at all. So game streaming is simply not an option, unless you like endless frustration.

Funny, I see physical as space saving. When I need room for a new game, just delete the physical installs. The digital ones stay since they can take a long time to download again. Patches are a pita though. This morning some game had a 14GB patch while I was trying to play GT Sport. It took well over an hour to download, and during the 3 races I did on PS5 it seemed my internet was scrambled. Cars jumping all over the place, major lag. First I blamed my internet, yet after I switched to ps4 pro (while the ps5 kept on downloading) racing was smooth again. Maybe the PS5 can't handle downloading while playing, or my internet cleared up right as I switched. It's Sunday, second worst internet day after Saturday :/

Oh, interesting.  I'm sorry your internet experience is so crappy!  Mine is the opposite, I have two gigabit connections from two different providers (one as redundancy for the other, since I need it for work and 100% uptime is mission critical for me).  In practical terms, one gets used mostly for work and the other gets used mostly for entertainment, but each is available for either purpose in a pinch.  I didn't realize how spoiled I was, and I appreciate you educating me.  I do sometimes forget that the small town/rural availability of services can be far less.

Stacks upon stacks of games take up a lot more space than an large external HDD.  Anything I might download again sometime soon gets moved to the HDD, rather than deleted.  When it comes time to play something on the HDD, I just transfer it back to an SSD and play.  As a game gets older and the patches/updates get larger re-installing a physical game could trigger a very large download, and if you have a slow/unreliable connection and that would potentially take a LOT of time.  Whereas putting them on an external HDD avoids that.  And I can't speak for the PS5, but the Xbox can even keep the games on the HDD updated with new patches/updates in the meantime.

After collecting game carts/discs for Intellivision, Genesis, TurboGrafx-16, Jaguar, Saturn, Dreamcast, Xbox, GameCube, and Xbox 360 (not to mention for Lynx, Game Gear, GBA, DS, and PSP), I said enough was enough.  Keeping them organized, dusted, moving them when I move house, etc., was becoming a colossal pain in the butt, and taking up a ridiculous amount of space!

Last edited by scrapking - on 29 December 2021