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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Valve releasing Switch competitor SteamDeck Dec 2021, $399, Zen 2 CPU and RDNA 2 GPU

Honestly for 550 dollars (the 400 model is a joke), that size, that ugly layout and that weight... I would rather pay a little more and buy a gaming laptop xD



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I got my preorder in but it won't be ready until Q2 next year. Damn. Hope it speeds up a little bit. It sucks because I was having some technical issues and it took hours to hear back about it.



sc94597 said:
Kristof81 said:

 Good luck with running modern games from the SD card. 

The fastest consumer SD cards widely available have read speeds of 300 MBPS. That is double a decent 7200 RPM HDD and roughly comparable to older SATA SSD's. Plenty fine for gaming. Especially since texture quality is going to be low-medium on this due to other bottlenecks.

I don't see why this would be a huge problem. You could also get top-HDD level SD cards with read speeds of about 100-170 MBPS. After a quick search I found a 512 Gb with 170 MBps read speeds for $164.99 or a 512 Gb with 100 MBps read speeds for $69.99.

That is currently. This isn't releasing until December, and probably will be on the market for many years to come. Storage prices are still falling over time. 

Besides with a dock, I am guessing you can attach external SSDs. Switch out games you are playing portably which have longer load times to the internal memory, and games with shorter load times to the SD. 

And then there is the matter of repacks of cracked games, which probably will inevitably happen. 

Keep in mind Mbps is based on bits, not bytes.

In saying that... UHS-II cards allow for a maximum transfer speed of 312 MB/s, which is definitely shitting on those older SLC SSD's from over a decade ago.
UHS-I is 104MB/s which is still more than enough.

shikamaru317 said:

Actually they list the dynamic frequency range for both the CPU and the GPU in the specs. The GPU clock ranges between 1000 MHz and 1600 MHz, which if my math is right means that flops range between 1000 gflop and 1600 gflop (compared to Switch which has 2 handheld performance profiles available to devs at 157 gflop and 196 gflop, and 393 gflops when docked). The 4 core, 8 thread Zen 2 CPU meanwhile has a dynamic range from 2.4 GHz to 3.5 GHz, compared to Switch's 4 Core ARM CPU at 1.02 GHz. 

My assumption is that the Steam Deck will tend to throttle down to the the lower clocks when not connected to a power source, handheld in other words, and will tend to throttle up towards the high end of the dynamic range while charging or docked. Heat will also play some factor, with the system throttling down when it gets too hot. 

Flops are irrelevant.
Math is pretty simple ayway. 8CU*64 = 512 * 2 * 1600 = 1.63 Teraflops.

numberwang said:

Switch V2 gets 5+ hours of BotW and 7+ hours of Smash. Crysis remastered is unoptimized garbage but it still gets nearly 4 hours on Switch V2.

I know. I provided evidence for it.
The point of the "unoptimized garbage" is to showcase worst-case scenarios.

Also BotW isn't the most demanding Switch game, remember it is a WiiU port and not a game built from the ground up to take advantage of every single ounce of the Switch's capabilities... Plus it was a launch title, games get more demanding on hardware as time goes on.

Either way, feel free to peruse that link I provided prior and check out the battery life times of various games.

numberwang said:

We are talking about 2015 X1 tech here at 16nm. Modern ARM will destroy anything X86 in power per watt at the lower end.

Not always.

numberwang said:

That thing does look really big with its large side extensions. The screen has large bezels like the non OLED Switch and 16:9 games will run with additional top&bottom borders on the 1280x800 display.

Agreed. Screen could be better.

numberwang said:

Max textures on a mediocre 1280x800 small screen are wasted. Skyward Sword is a ported Wii game that was developed for SD tube tvs.

Texture resolution and final output resolution are separate issues.

You can definitely see the difference between SD and 4k textures on a 720P display.

Either way, with DDR5 system memory and 8 CU's, this isn't going to be doing ultra textures in games anyway.

shikamaru317 said:

Congrats! I'll probably get one at some point next year, waiting to see some post-launch tests first, like:

  • How well will it run high end 9th gen games? Can it run them on low settings at 720p, or are the specs still not enough for that?
  • How will performance on games compare on Steam OS and Windows?
  • Is the SD card slot really limited to UHS-I speed (104 MB/s) or can it use higher end UHS-II or UHS-III SD cards without capping their speed? 

I'm also hoping to see Microsoft make a Native Xbox app for it, so that you can not only stream xCloud games without using the web browser, but also wi-fi stream games from your Xbox Series to your Steam Deck, cutting out the latency issues of streaming those same games from the nearest xCloud data center. 

Anyone who has used a Ryzen 5700u notebook with the integrated graphics will know that 720P games are more than capable on a device such as this.

Steam OS due to it's design has lower overhead than Windows, but also worst game support. Catch 22.

You can stream all Xbox games to a PC without the need for Xcloud, just need a console and the Xbox companion app... You can then run this on your high-bandwidth 5ghz home wireless, which is low latency.
But to be fair, you could also run the Xbox companion app on a $50 Android phone... So...

I feel streaming games over your Wifi to a mobile device is basically taking the original concept of the WiiU, but actually making that functionality usable as you are no longer limited to just a room or two in distance.



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This is kind of cool, and unexpected. But there are multiple reasons I don't want it.
-The button placement
-I can already play games from Steam on my PC.
-I'd rather save up money in the next several years for a PS5.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 125 million (was 73, then 96, then 113 million)

PS5: 105 million Xbox Series S/X: 60 million

PS4: 122 mil (was 100 then 130 million) Xbox One: 50 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

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method114 said:

Is it using linuxunix? If so I'm out.

Well, Steam at least uses Proton, so most of the games will be from Windows.

The only thing that Proton can't do is run recent Anti-cheat software like EAC.

Other than that, it's most likely that your favorite game will work fine, specially if it uses OGL/Vulkan.

AAIK, you also have the option to install W10/11.



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Pemalite said:
sc94597 said:

The fastest consumer SD cards widely available have read speeds of 300 MBPS. That is double a decent 7200 RPM HDD and roughly comparable to older SATA SSD's. Plenty fine for gaming. Especially since texture quality is going to be low-medium on this due to other bottlenecks.

I don't see why this would be a huge problem. You could also get top-HDD level SD cards with read speeds of about 100-170 MBPS. After a quick search I found a 512 Gb with 170 MBps read speeds for $164.99 or a 512 Gb with 100 MBps read speeds for $69.99.

That is currently. This isn't releasing until December, and probably will be on the market for many years to come. Storage prices are still falling over time. 

Besides with a dock, I am guessing you can attach external SSDs. Switch out games you are playing portably which have longer load times to the internal memory, and games with shorter load times to the SD. 

And then there is the matter of repacks of cracked games, which probably will inevitably happen. 

Keep in mind Mbps is based on bits, not bytes.

In saying that... UHS-II cards allow for a maximum transfer speed of 312 MB/s, which is definitely shitting on those older SLC SSD's from over a decade ago.
UHS-I is 104MB/s which is still more than enough.

Right, but MBps is bytes not bits which was the standard unit I was comparing in my original post, hence I capitalized the acronym. The first SSD I had in a PC was in 2015, a Sandisk Ultra II SSD III drive with a max read speed of 550 MBps. I assumed that 300 MBps would've been what earlier SSDs than that were doing. Looking at the SLC SSD's you're referencing, like the Intel X-25E series, read speeds were around 250 MBps, still faster than a 7200 RPM HDD. 

Either way, I agree with your main point, even 100 MBps is plenty enough if the drive/card is healthy, which is much more likely with flash memory than mechanical memory. 




It selling out and a ton of twitter goers showing off screenshots of their purchase...Well the demand seems to be their.






Captain_Yuri said:

Looks like Steam Deck is now sold out

Well shit, maybe now Steam can become a lil more stable with the first batch being sold out XD.



My coworker and I were both able to
get reservations.



I was able to reserve the 512 GB model. Wasn't fast enough for december though, so I'll have to wait until Q1 2022.

I'm pretty excited, because this thing pretty much looks like a wet dream for handheld fans like myself. It has quite some horsepower behind it and I can use it for whatever I like without the need of hacking it.

Will be interesting to see how well Linux performs when it comes to gaming. But I think I will put Windows on my machine anyway.



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