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dane007 on 01 May 2021

Ps2, ps3 and ps1 games requires to be streamed via psnow. From memory they just got an update to allow it to be streamed to 1080p. Before that it was only 720p.  And there is alot of unlit lag. With xbox compatibility u don't need to stream and it improves the graphics of the game, the resolution and Fps. 

wahwah said:

The 4 generations of backwards compatibility is such utter BS. XSX is only backwards compatible with XB1. Just like PS5 is with PS4. Only select games from 360 are compatible and most of the best ones from 360/PS3 era got remastered for PS4/XB1 so they can be played on PS5 as well. And the OG Xbox BC list is just sad, how sad? There are more PS2 games that can be played on PS5 than there are OG Xbox games that can be played on XSX.



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Doctor_MG on 01 May 2021
wahwah said:

The 4 generations of backwards compatibility is such utter BS. XSX is only backwards compatible with XB1. Just like PS5 is with PS4. Only select games from 360 are compatible and most of the best ones from 360/PS3 era got remastered for PS4/XB1 so they can be played on PS5 as well. And the OG Xbox BC list is just sad, how sad? There are more PS2 games that can be played on PS5 than there are OG Xbox games that can be played on XSX.

There are hundreds of 360 games that are available and about 40 OG Xbox games. There are a lot of great games that have not been remastered (Lost Odyssey, Portal 2, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, every Gears game except the first, Witcher 2, etc). In addition, these games do not have to be rebought to play them on the console. 

PS2 games on the PS4 (and PS5) require a purchase. There are no PS3 games available without a subscription. If the remasters are your thing then, again, you have to repurchase the game. 

Is it perfect? No, but Xbox's implementation is preferred over Sony's IMO. 



OneTime on 01 May 2021
Doctor_MG said:
OneTime said:

Hmm...  Yes, actually I might try to argue that.  Sony probably aren't doing as well as Nintendo were...  although Sony's era has now lasted longer than the NES/SNES did.

Go ahead and look at Nintendos profits from back then vs Sonys gaming division profits now. 

Sure - if you think that is a valid comparison.  I don't think so personally, because the total $ games market in the 80s was tiny.  Heck games were written in people's bedrooms in their spare time.

All I know is, no matter how small, Nintendo was a huge part of it.  Even if Nintendo was the only console manufacturer and made all the games, they'd still be less successful than Sony by your calculations.



OneTime on 01 May 2021
AkimboCurly said:

I would have agreed with you a decade ago. Microsoft under Ballmer was a bloated company with bad ideas and got on the wrong side of every tech trend from mobile to mp3. 

Under Nadella the company is completely revived. The adversarial culture has completely changed. The stock is up 45% YOY, 20 analysts last month had 20 buy ratings... no holds, and no sells.  for many reasons, of course, but standout among them is the utility computing in the cloud, and also the massive potential for its developer tools to dislodge the big four consultancy firms by bringing business analytics through Azure. You'd be mad to bet against them. I have 3.5% of my portfolio in Microsoft atm and if anything that portion will increase. 

The trouble for betting against them as well is that they're positioning themselves strategically in industries that scale incredibly well. 

I fully agree that Ballmer was a disaster (and maybe the root cause of "aggressive Microsoft" even when BillG was in charge).  Nadella has spotted some markets to go after.

I'm not sure where Microsoft will go next, as they are still having a hard time adapting to the post-desktop world.  Azure is a lot more corporate focussed than AWS, but it assumes that companies will use it to build their own applications in-house.  That may be true to an extent, but I see a possibility that many companies decide to further outsource their IT functions.  In an an outsourced B2B scenario (where there is a vendor) the ultimate workload will be Linux on AWS, because it's cheaper.

So I'm still betting against Microsoft in the longer term.  I think the corporate market will fragment into lots of small web-based company offerings.  Basically, after the migration from "on-premises to cloud", to me the next obvious step is "just sign up to websites that do what you want" - even for large organisations...



Doctor_MG on 01 May 2021
OneTime said:

Sure - if you think that is a valid comparison.  I don't think so personally, because the total $ games market in the 80s was tiny.  Heck games were written in people's bedrooms in their spare time.

All I know is, no matter how small, Nintendo was a huge part of it.  Even if Nintendo was the only console manufacturer and made all the games, they'd still be less successful than Sony by your calculations.

Part of my point is that it ISN'T a valid comparison. Just like comparing the state of the tech industry 30 years ago isn't comparable to what it is today.



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thismeintiel on 01 May 2021

Some of your points may be true, but it isn't helping them in the new games category, which is the most important one. PS5 is beating the PS4 currently, while XSX is trailing the XBO in some regions, maybe even WW. And that's with MSs big campaign ad to tell everyone about GamePass and the Bethesda deal.



 

Fei-Hung on 02 May 2021
Raven said:
Fei-Hung said:

They are probably making more money now, but I preferred the old MS. You could buy Office for £120 and be done with it. Now the yearly subscription model takes the piss. It's greedy and Office itself is shite incomparison to Google Drive and their version of office.

Google's biggest issues is they are slow with products. They could have done so much better with their Nest products which are amazing but a lot fo them are more expensive than the competition and Google fails to capitalise on them.

This is why I'm uncertain of Gamepass. If it goes the way office has and teams, it will be shit and overpriced once they start gaining more traction. 2-3 years from now we will look thinking how the f did we get here.

Outside of Azure, I don't think they have brought anything great to the table since Gates left. At least Google has created decent Nest products, self driving cars, Android Auto, Chromecast, Maps and some other services which have changed how we do things

MS's greatest contribution since Windows and Office has been Azure... And maybe Surface, although they are insanely priced.

You can still do that if you want:

Holy shit, didn't know they did that! But from what I've read, it lacks the Collab features of the Google version and I can't access it on anything other than the one pc unlike sheets, docs etc. Basically, pay the sub or get the gimped version. 

I've started writing again so it comes in handy when I want to quickly add something, make a note etc.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 02 May 2021
KratosLives said:

Meanwhile sony just launched returnal and ratchet next month, and microsoft releasing halo when? And what else this year?

I mean honestly, if God of War and Horizon 2 don't make it into this year like Gran Turismo 7, Sony will also have a very anemic year. Ratchet and Returnal can't carry a year. Xbox also has possibly Starfield releasing this year, which would be pretty big. 

Sony definitely has the lead in planned releases, but nothing is really all that certain this year. 



wahwah on 02 May 2021
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
KratosLives said:

Meanwhile sony just launched returnal and ratchet next month, and microsoft releasing halo when? And what else this year?

I mean honestly, if God of War and Horizon 2 don't make it into this year like Gran Turismo 7, Sony will also have a very anemic year. Ratchet and Returnal can't carry a year. Xbox also has possibly Starfield releasing this year, which would be pretty big. 

Sony definitely has the lead in planned releases, but nothing is really all that certain this year. 

MS does still have a long way to go in order to catch up with Sony this gen. Sony has already released Astro's Playroom, Demon's Souls, Miles Morales, Sackboy, Destruction Allstars, MLB The Show, and Returnal. Plus Ratchet and Clank is just over a month away.

MS on the other hand has not released a single game this generation so far, and not one of their games has a release date yet. So far this is the worst beatdown I've ever seen. 



EnricoPallazzo on 02 May 2021

They have a log of big guns and a lot of money, but this is still not impacting market share, PS5 is still selling 2.2/1 vs the Xbox. Lets see is this is going to change when Halo hits by Q4. Of course, you can have a smaller market share and still be more profitable (game division) so who knows? But yeah, they are doing a pretty good job, Im loving my XSX and will probably get my PS5 only by 2023.