Okay, I feel like we're at a understanding now. I don't know if I misread you or whatnot but to clarify, to me it felt like you was trying to argue that Game Pass isn't insane value for that user which I was like, well, you can't really say what is good value to someone or know how they're using the service but it seems like you actually aren't arguing against his opinion so, sorry if I misread the situation.

I don't know which is more hilarious to me in this thread. The people trying to agrue that gamepass is objectively overrated because for whatever reason they want it to fail, or the people on the other side that act like a set of games that we have not seen gameplay for are somehow guaranteed to be blockbusters (I remain optimistic myself, but still).

Bottom line is that based on the 400+ games available, the value is insane for anyone that utilizes the service. You may not like it, or it may not be for you...but it is an undeniable fact. As I said in another post, the value of the games I have played on my gamepass sub since Nov has already paid for itself for over two years (4 years of you include my Son's X1 that he plays on with the same sub). I have also learned that a lot of X1 1st party games are actually better than a lot of people want to give credit for. Also since then, there have been a few day 1 new games from 3rd parties as well as a few that were only a few months old. Now you can argue if you would enjoy those games or not, but at the end of the day those are full price games adding to that value. Many people enjoy being able to play those games without the need to pay full price for something they might not like, then buy at a discount if they like it enough.

There is no point for list war arguments surrounding the service, be it to downplay or boast the service. You have to be either blind or willfully ignorant to not see the value behind gamepass. You also have to be pretty damn hard headed to think that the service is for everyone, because not everyone will be able to take full advantage of the value it has to offer. And that is all I really have to say on the matter. It either is for you or it isn't, and that is fine. But the overall great value is still there either way.

*continues eating popcorn*

Exactly. The key word here is value. We tend to forget that for a lot of people a 60 and now 70 dollar/euro whatever game is a lot in the face of popular ftp games, abundance of steam sales etc. I also tend to think of it as what a rental service used to do. It is a cheaper option for people that don't really care about ownership that much. And another plus is that a consumer might like the game and purchase it later.

That argument gets brought up a lot, yet what percentage of gamers actually do that, that weren't going to buy that game anyway, and now at a discount price after playing it on GP first.

The most prevalent argument is how much money GP saves everyone. If GP doesn't lead to a huge increase in player base, revenue for the gaming industry overall will be down. Revenue per title will be down, budgets will shrink. A further move to blockbusters and cheap indie titles with nothing much in between.

On the plus side, more exposure to different games, so maybe some people will get off the yearly franchise train and go for something different.

Unless MS is straight up lying to absolutely everyone, every time they talk about their statistics of GP users, we know this isn't true. GP can absolutely save you money...but it can also lead to you spending more money, because you're engaging with more content than you were before, and if you're enjoying that content, you may feel compelled to buy DLC, microtransactions, or just buy some game outright because you loved it so much.

So all the people saying it saves them lots of money, including me, are wrong? Where are the people that spend more money after getting subscriptions?

I don't know which is more hilarious to me in this thread. The people trying to agrue that gamepass is objectively overrated because for whatever reason they want it to fail, or the people on the other side that act like a set of games that we have not seen gameplay for are somehow guaranteed to be blockbusters (I remain optimistic myself, but still).

Bottom line is that based on the 400+ games available, the value is insane for anyone that utilizes the service. You may not like it, or it may not be for you...but it is an undeniable fact. As I said in another post, the value of the games I have played on my gamepass sub since Nov has already paid for itself for over two years (4 years of you include my Son's X1 that he plays on with the same sub). I have also learned that a lot of X1 1st party games are actually better than a lot of people want to give credit for. Also since then, there have been a few day 1 new games from 3rd parties as well as a few that were only a few months old. Now you can argue if you would enjoy those games or not, but at the end of the day those are full price games adding to that value. Many people enjoy being able to play those games without the need to pay full price for something they might not like, then buy at a discount if they like it enough.

There is no point for list war arguments surrounding the service, be it to downplay or boast the service. You have to be either blind or willfully ignorant to not see the value behind gamepass. You also have to be pretty damn hard headed to think that the service is for everyone, because not everyone will be able to take full advantage of the value it has to offer. And that is all I really have to say on the matter. It either is for you or it isn't, and that is fine. But the overall great value is still there either way.

*continues eating popcorn*