Yes, it should.
2021: 110M (+30M)
2022: 132M (+22M)
2023: 147M (+15M)
2024: 154M (+7M)
2025: 157M (+3M)
end of life: 160M
Will Switch outsell PS2 and/or DS? | |||
| Yes, it will outsell PS2's (~159Million) | 100 | 57.47% | |
| Will outsell the DS, but not the PS2 | 74 | 42.53% | |
| Switch will fall short of both DS & PS2 | 0 | 0% | |
| Total: | 174 | ||
Yes, it should.
2021: 110M (+30M)
2022: 132M (+22M)
2023: 147M (+15M)
2024: 154M (+7M)
2025: 157M (+3M)
end of life: 160M
| Shadow1980 said: I've devoted many, many hours and paragraphs over many months and all I get in return is "LOL, nope. You're wrong," and not even followed up by "and here's why. [charts, data, reports, etc.]" |
Are you being serious ? This def what didn't actually happen. I, and many many others, wrote great amount of stuff explaining how and why your point doesn't explain everything, but you're still repeating "nobody give me any counter argument to fight my position".
The_Liquid_Laser said:
I'm willing to bet if we can change the conditions of the bet. (I don't want either of us playing Balan Wonderworld.) The winner lists several games that they really, really like. The loser picks one from the list that they haven't played yet. Then they have to play it on normal difficulty for 50 hours or until they beat it. The loser has 30 days to complete the task. |
Alright, that's fine by me. No restrictions of platforms?
My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first.
I hope not.
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| Shadow1980 said:
It's clear that no matter how much evidence I provide that some people just don't want to hear it, which is why I'm tired of arguing the point. I've devoted many, many hours and paragraphs over many months and all I get in return is "LOL, nope. You're wrong," and not even followed up by "and here's why. [charts, data, reports, etc.]" I will continue to make the point in passing should it be necessary, but I'm not going to argue it with people anymore. It's as plain as the noses on their faces, and there's no point in a constant back-and-forth anymore on the subject. |
That's hardly fair, several of us wrote at length and in depth as to why we disagree with your analysis, providing plenty of reasoning and thorough explanation as to why we see things differently.
Last edited by curl-6 - on 27 April 2021Metallox said:
Alright, that's fine by me. No restrictions of platforms? |
Try to pick a variety of platforms if possible. I don't want to list a bunch of Genesis games to someone who doesn't have a Genesis (for example).
Just to be clear: I am betting the Switch outsells the PS2.
curl-6 bet me that PS5 + X|S sales would reach 56m before year end 2023 and he was right.
My Bet With curl-6
My Threads:
Master Thread, Game of the Year/Decade
Switch Will Be #1 All Time
Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
My Bet With Metallox
The_Liquid_Laser said:
Try to pick a variety of platforms if possible. I don't want to list a bunch of Genesis games to someone who doesn't have a Genesis (for example). Just to be clear: I am betting the Switch outsells the PS2. |
Ok, I'll update my sig when I get my computer.
We could see the platforms and games as time goes on, for older games it's not a big deal because we've got technology, as Patrick Star would say, and there are plenty of 5th gen games I've never played, which is when games started to get significantly longer (I think). For anything above 6th gen, I can borrow any 6th, 7th or 8th gen console and I also think I could buy a Series in the next 2 years.
My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first.


| Spade said: I hope not. |
Why? It's a great system.

| Elputoxd said: What Nintendo should worry about is Switch 2. The last time they thought their new brands ("DS" and "Wii") and backwards compatibility alone would bring success they got a console that sold less than half what the console that came before it did (3DS' 75 million vs DS' 155 million) and a colossal flop (Wii U), so Switch 2 is not a guaranteed success and I fear they might become complacent. Not to mention the flop that was the PS Vita, succesor to a very succesful console and with backwards compatibility, low price and portability too. Still a huge flop. |
All they need to do is not try to be too fancy or different. 3DS had that 3d ginmick, Wii I with that tablet. It wasn't just an update of the basics that Wii and DS got right. If ninty improves upon stuff like joycon 2, better battery, screen, tech, a more useful dock and focuses on perfecting the switch instead of trying to come up with something new, they are gonna have a successful console. Oh and of course still bring the awesome games and don't mess up the marketing. Basically all the basics done right.
As for vita, there was that stupid storage card debacle and Sony abandoning it so early. But for now, ninty needs to focus on making the switch the best console possible while developing the successor. They can walk and chew gum at the same time
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Shadow1980 said:
I see that, and the figures are A) year-to-date, B) global, and C) VGC figures. YTD figures a quarter into the year don't tell us much, global figures don't favor the DS as it had considerably different peaks in each region, and VGC figures do have a non-trivial margin of error associated with them, particularly for more granular data (their yearly & LTD estimates are usually close to spot-on, but even then errors still exist). If we counted each region separately, then the combined sales of the DS's best single year of the U.S. (2009), Japan (2006), and Europe (2008) totaled 31.26M. By comparison, the Switch's sales in the 12-month period of March 2020 to Feb. 2021, it's best 12 months everywhere, was about 23.2M in those three regions (going by NPD for the U.S., Famitsu for Japan, and assuming VGC's figure for Europe is accurate). The Switch's sales in any one region have over the past year paled in comparison to the DS's best year in those regions. The Switch's 2021 will not beat the DS's 2009 in the U.S. It will not set any new records in Japan. It will most certainly not end with some mind-blowing 10M+ figure in Europe. And there's no guarantee that it'll be another ~28M year. Q1 is just one quarter and was facing against Q1 2020, where January & February were pre-pandemic months. 2021's real test on if it can beat 2020 has only just begun.
You're ignoring the fact that the DSi effectively displaced sales of the DS Lite. Sales of the Lite declined rapidly once the DSi was released. People just stopped buying it in favor of the DSi. We can see this in both Nintendo's shipment data as well as Media Create data, which also shows the sales split between models. In terms of sales growth, the DSi's impact was short-lived. In the U.S., it caused a big bump in the sales when it released in April 2009, it had enough of a residual effect to put May up YoY (and #2 for the non-holiday period that year in terms of weekly averages), and it may or may not have had a residual effect in June (the previous June got a boost from a limited edition Guitar Hero: On Tour bundle, so we can't make good comparisons between those two months). But by July sales were already about back down to where they were before the DSi. The DS exhibited a strong downward trend in weekly averages after the DSi's initial release, and sales in the June-October period were down slightly from 2008. The months that put 2009 above 2008 were January (which saw a much smaller drop from December than the previous two Januaries, for reasons that aren't clear), April, May, November, and December (there were some LE DSi bundles released during the holidays in '09), with about half the year's surplus over 2008 coming from just April. Except for an anomalous YoY gain in March (people holding off for the DSi in March '09, maybe?), the DS experienced declined sales throughout 2010. In Japan, the DS was already past its peak when the DSi released in Nov. 2008. The release of the DSi did cause a pretty big initial spike, its release week being the best non-holiday week in over a year. However, sales dropped in subsequent weeks, and the 2008 holiday season was only about the same as 2007's, and sales in 2009 were essentially flat from 2008 until Dragon Quest IX released in mid-year. Conclusion: The DSi caused a short-term period of sales growth lasting two or three months in the U.S., and less than that in Japan. No conclusive long-term impact is obvious besides it negatively impacting sales of the Lite.
I addressed the DSi just above, but to add to that commentary, I'm talking about relative terms, not absolute terms. The DSi did help produce very impressive DS numbers the month of its release in absolute terms. But in relative terms, it didn't generate any long-term sales growth. The New 3DS caused a huge spike when it was released as well, but after two months in the U.S. and three months in Japan sales were back down to where they were before the New 3DS released. Regarding the DS's slow start and the Lite's impact, it's not too dissimilar from the PS3, which wasn't exactly selling great at first but really hit its stride when the Slim came out. Unlike the DS and PS3, the Switch is already doing well. Do you really think the Pro will have a comparable effect on Switch sales as those revisions, pushing the Switch to even greater heights? We don't even know exactly what this new Switch model is or what it does, but even if it is a hybrid that's 4K-capable when docked, do you think a performance boost alone is going to have a far bigger impact than any other spec upgrade in history (again, in relative terms) and even many simple form factor changes?
It's clear that no matter how much evidence I provide that some people just don't want to hear it, which is why I'm tired of arguing the point. I've devoted many, many hours and paragraphs over many months and all I get in return is "LOL, nope. You're wrong," and not even followed up by "and here's why. [charts, data, reports, etc.]" I will continue to make the point in passing should it be necessary, but I'm not going to argue it with people anymore. It's as plain as the noses on their faces, and there's no point in a constant back-and-forth anymore on the subject. |
Now you're just moving the goalpost because I was saying switch is selling the best YTD from the get go. And no need to look at each region separately that's just skewing the data in your favour. As me and Norion have shown, which you ignore, 140mil with a bad dropoff and 153mil+ with a gentle slope are very easily possible. Plus there is no indication that switch sales will fall off a cliff this year compared to the last. I thought you believed in looking at past trends for future trends, Guess not. The switch by all accounts should sell better than last year because it will have more games and it has weathered the storm that was AC release and is still ahead. It'll have more games this year including Zelda anniversary and all those games and possibly Metroid anniversary. If you were to make estimates based on the factors, you would come to that conclusion.
Come on give us your predictions like me and Norion did. That way we won't need ifs and buts and everything will be out in the open about what you think. We can then even compare it to the drop-off of the Wii, DS, PS2, and others to see where your switch prediction lands on the slope. We'll even see if you believe the cliff hypothesis or not. So instead of coming up with convoluted ways to make the switch look bad, lay your cards on the table.
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