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kopstudent89 said:

Scalpers will exist in a free market that is not regulated. Should it be regulated? I mean then how do you deal with people who collect cards, games, consoles, coins, etc.. It is what it is. At some point prices will balance to demand.

The first thing I would say is the method of acquisition is one differentiator, the manipulation of the market by bots who's use exacerbates any shortage leading to prices being  driving up even more.

I like to think of this analogy a lottery in the US some years ago had a jackpot that an Australian Professor of Mathematics worked out was large enough that the cost of buying enough tickets to account for all the different combinations would still leave you with a huge profit,so he devised a computer program that covered those combinations then gained investors to cover the outlay and by having a local team use the program to auto buy all those tickets online in the US state the lottery was part of they won more than just the jackpot because they also had a huge number of divisional prizes making hundreds of millions.

now comes the part that matters the states changed the law to stop computer generated online purchases so if that's deemed unacceptable manipulation so should bot use. 

Last edited by mjk45 - on 08 April 2021

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No one bought the game at that price, relax.



My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first. 

There probably are more copies of this game than working copies of Super Mario Bros for NES. This is not a rare game.



kopstudent89 said:

Scalpers will exist in a free market that is not regulated. Should it be regulated? I mean then how do you deal with people who collect cards, games, consoles, coins, etc.. It is what it is. At some point prices will balance to demand.

Absolutely should not be regulated.  Luxury items (which include videogames) are not needs, thus do not need regulation.  Look I want a ps5 and can't find one, which is annoying, but I don't blame scalpers.  I blame the morons who drop 200-300% over MSRP.  People act like not having a videogame in their collection or not having a console day 1 is some how a major catastrophe, when clearly it isn't.  The people willing to buy over MSRP created the market, not the scalpers.  



Chrkeller said:
kopstudent89 said:

Scalpers will exist in a free market that is not regulated. Should it be regulated? I mean then how do you deal with people who collect cards, games, consoles, coins, etc.. It is what it is. At some point prices will balance to demand.

Absolutely should not be regulated.  Luxury items (which include videogames) are not needs, thus do not need regulation.  Look I want a ps5 and can't find one, which is annoying, but I don't blame scalpers.  I blame the morons who drop 200-300% over MSRP.  People act like not having a videogame in their collection or not having a console day 1 is some how a major catastrophe, when clearly it isn't.  The people willing to buy over MSRP created the market, not the scalpers.  

I completely agree with that. If someone offered to pay me 3x the price for my console, I would accept it. Are scalpers the nicest people in the world? No.. but capitalism is designed to reward greed.. so hating on scalpers whilst enjoying the luxuries of the economic system is being picky. It's really just a product of supply and demand



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I actually own two physical copies, one is not opened. I didn't mean to buy two, I ordered one online and forgot about it and then purchased a copy at a retailer. I decided to keep the extra copy though.



kopstudent89 said:
Chrkeller said:

Absolutely should not be regulated.  Luxury items (which include videogames) are not needs, thus do not need regulation.  Look I want a ps5 and can't find one, which is annoying, but I don't blame scalpers.  I blame the morons who drop 200-300% over MSRP.  People act like not having a videogame in their collection or not having a console day 1 is some how a major catastrophe, when clearly it isn't.  The people willing to buy over MSRP created the market, not the scalpers.  

I completely agree with that. If someone offered to pay me 3x the price for my console, I would accept it. Are scalpers the nicest people in the world? No.. but capitalism is designed to reward greed.. so hating on scalpers whilst enjoying the luxuries of the economic system is being picky. It's really just a product of supply and demand

Exactly.  And if people stopped paying over MSRP and forced scalpers to eat their investment, the practice would die immediately.  But as it stands, as an example, ps5 scalpers are being rewarded + incentivized.  Why would they stop when they are making money hand over fist.  



Anyone who buys this game from scalpers is an idiot. There are more copies of this game in the wild now than many games sell in a lifetime. Scalpers are just trying to take advantage of people who do not know any better and panic buyers. The prices for this will drop before we know it, leaving some people with major buyer's remorse.

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Chrkeller said:
kopstudent89 said:

I completely agree with that. If someone offered to pay me 3x the price for my console, I would accept it. Are scalpers the nicest people in the world? No.. but capitalism is designed to reward greed.. so hating on scalpers whilst enjoying the luxuries of the economic system is being picky. It's really just a product of supply and demand

Exactly.  And if people stopped paying over MSRP and forced scalpers to eat their investment, the practice would die immediately.  But as it stands, as an example, ps5 scalpers are being rewarded + incentivized.  Why would they stop when they are making money hand over fist.  

The problem with PS5 and XSX/S scalpers is not the capitalism aspect of it.  It is the fact that they are using bots to buy up all the stock im seconds, which is a violation of ToS for these retailers.  They do this to create artificial demand, and drive up the prices even further and preventing actual consumers from being able to purchase a console without them.

It is not the scalping itself that is scummy, but that fact that they are essentially breaking the law to do it under the guise of "capitalism" that makes them all pieces of shit.

EDIT: To clarify, while violating ToS itself is not a crime punishable by law...bypassing technical or code-based barriers intended to limit access to or uses of a website may violate California's computer crime law.  The fact that these bots bypass the bot checks is what brings legality into question.

Last edited by Shiken - on 09 April 2021

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Shiken said:
Chrkeller said:

Exactly.  And if people stopped paying over MSRP and forced scalpers to eat their investment, the practice would die immediately.  But as it stands, as an example, ps5 scalpers are being rewarded + incentivized.  Why would they stop when they are making money hand over fist.  

The problem with PS5 and XSX/S scalpers is not the capitalism aspect of it.  It is the fact that they are using bots to buy up all the stock im seconds, which is a violation of ToS for these retailers.  They do this to create artificial demand, and drive up the prices even further and preventing actual consumers from being able to purchase a console without them.

It is not the scalping itself that is scummy, but that fact that they are essentially breaking the law to do it under the guise of "capitalism" that makes them all pieces of shit.

EDIT: To clarify, while violating ToS itself is not a crime punishable by law...bypassing technical or code-based barriers intended to limit access to or uses of a website may violate California's computer crime law.  The fact that these bots bypass the bot checks is what brings legality into question.

It certainly is a dirty tactic and I don't like it.  But I think the easiest solution is to have a scalper buy 10 ps5 units and end up having to sell them for $400 and lose $1,000.  It would end this nonsense quickly.  But instead scalpers are able to sell their inventory for $1000 each.  We need to cut off the incentives for said dirty tactics.